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Old Apr 29, 2021 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RonnieC6Z
The big problem with radar detectors stems from where one lives. Here in So Cal, in many areas, cops are using laser and lidar more than radar. Any and all standard radar detectors, picking up laser and lidar while you are speeding, just beep to tell you that you are caught. You need a built in laser/lidar defuser for protection. I know many installers and they all claim at the hidden Escort radar detector/laser defuser is the best. But you are looking at $3500.00 - $4000.00 professionally installed.
A big reason to use the "bent plate" method of license plate mounting... Police are (I believe) trained to aim at the license plate as that is the only FLAT VERTICLE surface they can count on to get a strong reflection.
Also, using JBV1 will get you crowd sourced alerts to let you know long before you get to the trap.
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Originally Posted by RonnieC6Z
The big problem with radar detectors stems from where one lives. Here in So Cal, in many areas, cops are using laser and lidar more than radar. Any and all standard radar detectors, picking up laser and lidar while you are speeding, just beep to tell you that you are caught. You need a built in laser/lidar defuser for protection. I know many installers and they all claim at the hidden Escort radar detector/laser defuser is the best. But you are looking at $3500.00 - $4000.00 professionally installed.
Actually that is not completely true.
It is true in theory but not always the case in the real world.

The reason is as follows.
As distance from the target increases the laser spot circumference increases and it refracts/scatters more.
It is for this reason (and others) they recommend tickets not be written for vehicles targeted over 1/4 mile away with laser.

So in a situation where you are on a multilane interstate in a large city where they love to use laser rather than radar (because it simplifies identification of the offender) you will find the LEO often uses a multi shot technique of long range targeting combined with in range targeting (<1/4 mile) to nab a speeder.

During the long range targeting the laser beam diameter is much larger and it is refracted more when it hits something.
A top notch detector can possibly save you in 2 ways due to these facts.

1. If a long range shot targeted at another car diffracts/scatters you may pick up a warning even though you weren't being targeted yet.

2. If the LEO targets you at long range he may not get a good hit as his aim may not be steady but you may detect him regardless and get her slowed down before he steady's his aim and takes a second shot (which is difficult for him to do right away if you are in a hard deceleration with lots of other traffic around moving through his line of sight). Think of it like hunting a group of dear if you miss the first shot the chances of a good quality second shot go way down.

If the LEO targets you at long range, gets a good hit and reads you over the limit, he most likely will hit you again as you get within the recommended 1/4 mile targeting range, if you detect him and have slowed down before this second hit, sometimes he will let you slide if you look to be driving safely.

I know this is not full proof (nothing is in this game) but the idea if you detect a laser signal "its to late" is not always true.

Back in the early days of instant on radar many experts stated (and some still do) "if you detect instant on radar you are dead"
Most of us serious road runners with high quality detectors know this isn't always true either.


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Old Apr 29, 2021 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gamoto
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Waze is useful in places where there's lots of traffic, but pretty useless where there isn't. And it won't warn you in time of a cop who just pulled onto the highway a mile in front of you.

OTOH, an RD won't be useful when the cop is using laser, and less useful with instant-on radar.

The two technologies complement each other, but neither really replaces the other.
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Old Apr 29, 2021 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gamoto
This is true but pretty much same thing with a Radar Detector. If they are using instant on radar / laser and they hit you, you're radar will go off but you've already been clocked.
Actually, if you're paying attention a good RD with directional arrows will often give you warning of instant on. If you get repeated short radar signals from ahead, gradually increasing in strength, that's a good sign there's a cop up ahead triggering instant on. Today's best detectors can detect a signal from miles away, even bouncing off of other objects.

Foolproof? No. But still useful.
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Is the jbv1 app the android equivalent of the V1driver app for IOS?
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Old May 3, 2021 | 12:02 AM
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From my understanding, JBV1 is better than V1Driver, but JBV1 is only for Android. By better, I mean it has more features and functions. V1Driver is supposed to be good too, just not AS good. I haven’t pulled the trigger on a detector yet, so that is just the impression I got from reading posts on rdforum.org. I have pivoted away from the Valentine 1 Gen 2, I don’t want to always have an iPhone app running. I’m leaning toward Escort Redline 360C but still waiting to see if Theia ever gets released. I’ll definitely have something by October when my next big cross country trip is scheduled.
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Originally Posted by 16falcon
From my understanding, JBV1 is better than V1Driver, but JBV1 is only for Android. By better, I mean it has more features and functions. V1Driver is supposed to be good too, just not AS good. I haven’t pulled the trigger on a detector yet, so that is just the impression I got from reading posts on rdforum.org. I have pivoted away from the Valentine 1 Gen 2, I don’t want to always have an iPhone app running. I’m leaning toward Escort Redline 360C but still waiting to see if Theia ever gets released. I’ll definitely have something by October when my next big cross country trip is scheduled.
Thanks for your response. Being an iphone owner the V1Driver app is my only option. I've been waiting on the Radenso Theia as well. See it if lives up to the hype.
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Originally Posted by YLWFVR75
Is the jbv1 app the android equivalent of the V1driver app for IOS?
Similar, but it offers much more data.
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Old May 3, 2021 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by YLWFVR75
Thanks for your response. Being an iphone owner the V1Driver app is my only option. I've been waiting on the Radenso Theia as well. See it if lives up to the hype.
I’ve been using V1 driver with the Gen2 and it’s great. I just got an android phone to use with JBV1 just to see how big of a difference it is. Haven’t had time to use it much though.
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As many others have pointed out - much depends on your individual priorities...

To me - Good BSM filtering is HUGE !!!! I'm willing to give up some range for better filtering of false signals. I drive on NE Highways a LOT and there is typically a LOT of traffic. My older Escort detector has become a new vehicle detector - some days it's alerting more time than it's not - it's now functionally useless.

Is radar detector detection important to you ? For most of us - it isn't, but for some people it's VERY important.

How willing are you to use a cell phone "app" with your detector ? I personally feel that the detector should be a "plug & play" solution. I don't want to have it connenct to the phone or to a car hotspot or to anything other than power - I want it to tell me when there is police radar in the area - Period.

As for Thea - well I hope that it's as good as people seem to think it will be, and that it gets released soon - but for now - it's a completely unproven pipe dream, and no one has a clue how much it will cost, or if it'll be available anytime in the next few years. Until I can hear see some actual performance data from production units, and until I can actually order one - It's just not part of my equation.


Obviously - anyone who has ever run with a radar detector should know - it is not going to consistently save your bacon. At best - it will shift the odds to an extent - but if you are speeding and the police are using either Laser or Instant On - and doing their job well - when you get the alert - you have just been clocked, and if you were significantly over the posted limit - you're likely to be seeing flashing lights in your mirror shortly.
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Originally Posted by saleen556
I’ve been using V1 driver with the Gen2 and it’s great. I just got an android phone to use with JBV1 just to see how big of a difference it is. Haven’t had time to use it much though.
Did you get a chance to compare the two apps yet ?
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Old May 21, 2021 | 10:18 PM
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I don’t know too much about other brands, but I can tell you that the escort radar detectors are plug and play. You can CHOOSE to use the APP for enhanced features such as camera radar stations, red light cameras, air patrol areas, etc.

I am sold on radar detection although I just got a super speeder ticket on I-95 in Georgia- my radar detector became a ticket detector. I still believe in them for situational awareness- and if I wasn’t cranking the music, with top down...I believe I would have caught a warning earlier from him hitting cars up ahead of me.

although i get beat from time to time with the radar, it’s saved me TONS OF TIMES. Information is good. So many times it goes off and I start looking and I see them hiding, I will say that I feel it’s paramount to get one that shows the direction of the source of the radar. It’s especially important cause it lets you know when you pass the source, letting you know it’s “clear” up ahead.

also, the escort 360 detectors are excellent at recognizing and automatically ignoring false alarms. You can see the radar being detected at actual strength but the warning lights and sounds are muted - honestly, it’s a great radar detector. I have the max 360c and just got the redline 360c...one of the biggest differences being that the redline is undetectable by the law.

also the 360’s are held by magnet so you can grab em quick and throw in your glove box if pulled over.
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