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Old Mar 11, 2024 | 12:59 PM
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I see no $300 OnStar charge on my 2024 sticker.
I have a 2024 also no $300 OnStar charge on my sticker
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OnStar may work with you on the plan price a bit if you call them.
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Is it still working? I found this that says after the subscription runs out, it will work for a while using previously downloaded maps before the maps are automatically deleted. Its found herre
https://support.google.com/googleapp...%2Cgoogle-maps


I just returned from a fair amount of driving and everything still DOES work. It is NOT running on saved maps as I have never downloaded any maps, plus Waze and Sirius XM are also still working. I can access the play store and everything that a data plan would allow. My phone IS connected via Android Auto and it says so and it pairs each time I get in the car. Make sure you have Android Auto installed on your Android phone. I am sure Car Play works the same.

While playing around I found a screen in Google that says I have service until March 2025 which is a strange date that doesn't correspond with anything to do with my car or purchase of it. I paid for this car in Sept.

Again, it shouldn't be working but it is.

The steps once again:

1. Have Android Auto (or Car Play) running on your phone.
2. Make sure you have Bluetooth paired to your car.
3. Make sure you are far enough away from your home Wi-Fi that it is not connected to your car.
4. Launch the app you want. I did have Google tell me a few times I needed a data plan so I dismissed the screen and it works anyway.

I'd appreciate knowing someone else was experiencing this so I know I haven't lost my mind (anymore than I already have).
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Old Mar 11, 2024 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
On the Chevrolet site, it specifically calls out that AppAacess supports Google based systems.
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can you point to that link. I have not found it yet.
I'm looking for it to specifically say it supports "Google Maps". The Owner's Manual says that "The Navigation software is provided by Google Maps......Google Maps relies on a subscription data plan for full functionality, including availability of offline maps." There are other elements of Google Built in, among them are Google Assistant, Google Maps, and Google Play - mentioned in the manual and on the Google website. From the Google website, functions provided by Google Maps include "Open the map, Search for destinations, Get directions". In other words its the Navigation function. It also says a data plan is required to support it. So, if AppAccess supports it, I'm looking for its description to either directly say it supports Google Maps (the nav function) of that it includes a data plan, or that is supports "all Google Built-In functions" I'm looking at the AppAccess description on my chevy account, and I cannot find those words.

It includes In-Vehicle Apps and mentions "Spotify, Pandora, real time traffic updates and more. " I realize those require and internet connection and data, but why not also mention the big kahuna, Google Maps or "the navigation systemsoftware"?

It includes Map+ . This offers personalized navigation, road closures, traffic updates, weather conditions. Again it does not mention the actual Google Maps or its functions with include map display, destination search, and direction. It sound more like it augments the Navigation by providing access to that other information. More research indicates it is an App that provides navigation, by Mapbox, but it does not appear to be the same as the Google Maps navigation function. Again, I get that this requires an internet connection and some data. But why is it not more explicit about supporting the actual navigation function?

Finally it provdes Alexa Built-In. Which is a voice assistant.

It never actually mentions a data plan either.

Can I conclude that it will not support the Google Maps navigation function? No, I can't. And, maybe it does. But if it does, it would sure be more clear if that was specifically stated. By the way, I don't think "Connected Navigation" is the same either. That again is a feature that provide real time data about roads, traffic, etc. Its not the basic map, destination, and direction service.

Edit: after searching a little more, I have found that Maps+ is described as an App that does display maps and provide a navigation function. I find no reference to that in the Owners Manual - rather it says Google Maps. Is that the same as Maps+. ? Anyway, AppAccess does provide Maps+.

Edit2: I'm going to suggest a possible reason its not indicating that App Access does not show support for Google Maps Navigation. It may be because my 2021 Corvette does not have the Google Built In and does not require a plan to support my built in Nav. I'm getting the info from withing my Chevy Account - so I may be getting shown plan info that is specific to my vehicle. I can't find any generic info about App Access that says it provides the data needed to support that in a 2024, but absence evidence is not evidence of absence, so thats inconclusive.







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Here's the section I found that details what Built-in Google works with:

If you select the Remote Access plan, it is not checked for Google Built-in.
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
Here's the section I found that details what Built-in Google works with:

If you select the Remote Access plan, it is not checked for Google Built-in.
Thanks. I had to log into my account and then use the address in your clip. And it does show the same as yours, including showing Google Built-In, even though my car does not have it.




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You have Remote Access selected, not AppAccess. It's been 100% consistent for me, AppAccess always shows a check for Google Built-In, and Remote Access never does.
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
You have Remote Access selected, not AppAccess. It's been 100% consistent for me, AppAccess always shows a check for Google Built-In, and Remote Access never does.
I'll check again and fix my post accordingly. Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Andybump
I'm looking for it to specifically say it supports "Google Maps". The Owner's Manual says that "The Navigation software is provided by Google Maps......Google Maps relies on a subscription data plan for full functionality, including availability of offline maps." There are other elements of Google Built in, among them are Google Assistant, Google Maps, and Google Play - mentioned in the manual and on the Google website. From the Google website, functions provided by Google Maps include "Open the map, Search for destinations, Get directions". In other words its the Navigation function. It also says a data plan is required to support it. So, if AppAccess supports it, I'm looking for its description to either directly say it supports Google Maps (the nav function) of that it includes a data plan, or that is supports "all Google Built-In functions" I'm looking at the AppAccess description on my chevy account, and I cannot find those words.

It includes In-Vehicle Apps and mentions "Spotify, Pandora, real time traffic updates and more. " I realize those require and internet connection and data, but why not also mention the big kahuna, Google Maps or "the navigation systemsoftware"?

It includes Map+ . This offers personalized navigation, road closures, traffic updates, weather conditions. Again it does not mention the actual Google Maps or its functions with include map display, destination search, and direction. It sound more like it augments the Navigation by providing access to that other information. More research indicates it is an App that provides navigation, by Mapbox, but it does not appear to be the same as the Google Maps navigation function. Again, I get that this requires an internet connection and some data. But why is it not more explicit about supporting the actual navigation function?

Finally it provdes Alexa Built-In. Which is a voice assistant.

It never actually mentions a data plan either.

Can I conclude that it will not support the Google Maps navigation function? No, I can't. And, maybe it does. But if it does, it would sure be more clear if that was specifically stated. By the way, I don't think "Connected Navigation" is the same either. That again is a feature that provide real time data about roads, traffic, etc. Its not the basic map, destination, and direction service.

Edit: after searching a little more, I have found that Maps+ is described as an App that does display maps and provide a navigation function. I find no reference to that in the Owners Manual - rather it says Google Maps. Is that the same as Maps+. ? Anyway, AppAccess does provide Maps+.

Edit2: I'm going to suggest a possible reason its not indicating that App Access does not show support for Google Maps Navigation. It may be because my 2021 Corvette does not have the Google Built In and does not require a plan to support my built in Nav. I'm getting the info from withing my Chevy Account - so I may be getting shown plan info that is specific to my vehicle. I can't find any generic info about App Access that says it provides the data needed to support that in a 2024, but absence evidence is not evidence of absence, so thats inconclusive.



As I remember, Maps+ is available in my 2020 as an installable app.
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
You have Remote Access selected, not AppAccess. It's been 100% consistent for me, AppAccess always shows a check for Google Built-In, and Remote Access never does.
Agree! Thank you . I fixed my post to remove the error. The 2024 comes with 3 year of Remote Access rather then App Access.
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner
If you check you window sticker, you will notice that you were charged $300 for 3 years of Onstar..,.
I just purchased my ‘24 C8 and 3-year OnStar was a “Connectivity & Technology” feature bundled into the “Standard Equipment” base price. There was no additional charge for OnStar.

I believe there was a class action lawsuit that stopped GM from forcing a separate purchase of OnStar.



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On basic principles canceled Free OnStar trial as I don't want it and wondered where the speed limit is coming from that displays on the dash! OnStar politely canceled after trying to sell me a cheaper monthly fee program BUT said although canceled I still have it to March 27? Not sure why.

Bought a new iPhone 15 Pro yesterday as my old 8 was not able to take the latest updates! Put it in the charge slot this morning and although I don't use my Cell phone it the Vette, checked and made a hands free call. It is connected via CarPlay! Don't know how it just happened. Press maps and get a map and looks like I can use NAV. So far not sure I paid anybody anything!

The songs on my flash drive are playing via CarPlay, at least that is what displays. BUT they were not in shuffle mode. Took the phone out of the charge/use slot and went to my Flash drive and songs playing before I installed the phone. Had that set in shuffle mode. That is what played, no phone interference!

All confusing! May have to wait till my "Trail OnStar" is no longer active apparently still active until March 27 to finally see IF I can use Apple CarPaly when I need NAV. As today it displayed on the center screen as it did when I used in in my 2LT Grand Sport without NAV! Don't use often but when I do, all within 100 miles radius. Thought I read I get that Google Map free for my Local area!

Heck I bought the E-Ray for 0 to 60 (not with the added Boost Shift un till >1500) and when I get 500 miles will do! But this whole issue with NAV is total BS!

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Originally Posted by JerryU
On basic principles canceled Free OnStar trial as I don't want it and wondered where the speed limit is coming from that is on the dash! OnStar politely canceled after trying to sell me a cheaper monthly fee BUT said although canceled I still have it to Match 27? Not sure why.

Bought a new iPhone 15 Pro yesterday as my old 8 was not able to take the latest updates! Put it in the charge slot this morning and although I don't use my Cell phone it the Vette, checked and made a hands free call. It is connected via CarPlay! Don't kow how it just happened. Press maps and get a map and looks like I can use NAV. So far not sure I paid anybody anything!

The songs on my flsh drive are playing via CarPlay, at least that is what displays. BUT they were npt in shuffle mode. Took the phone out of the charge use slot and went to my Flash drive and songs playing before I installed the phone.

All confusing! May have to wait till my "Trail OnStar" canceled but is apparently still active until Fed 27 to finally see IF I can use Apple CarPaly when I need NAV. As today it displayed on the center screen as it did when I used in in my 2LT Grand Sport! Not often but when I do, all within 100 miles radius.. I had read I get that Google Map free!

Heck I bought the E-Ray for 0 to 60 and when I get 500 miles will do! But this whole issue with NAV is total BS!
There is also some info on the Google site that says the Google Maps navigation function will continue for a short time after the subscription expires - using already loaded maps. But after a "short time" it deletes those maps.

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Originally Posted by JToddH
I just purchased my ‘24 C8 and 3-year OnStar was a “Connectivity & Technology” feature bundled into the “Standard Equipment” base price. There was no additional charge for OnStar.

I believe there was a class action lawsuit that stopped GM from forcing a separate purchase of OnStar.
What is listed is the OnStar 3 years remote access plan. That is a basic plan and doesn't include the plan necessary for navigation other than a month free trial.

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Originally Posted by JerryU
...... But this whole issue with NAV is total BS!
Originally Posted by Andybump
There is also some info on the Google site that says the Google Maps navigation function will continue for a short time after the subscription expires - using already loaded maps. But after a "short time" it deletes those maps.
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What is listed is the OnStar 3 years remote access plan. That is a basic plan and doesn't include the plan necessary for navigation other than a month free trial.
Thanks for your and Andy's info. Perhaps being too critical as I'm learning as I drive. Both my new phone and the E-Ray. Just came back from a ~50-mile round trip to town to pick something up.
  • With my new iPhone 15Pro in my pocket (not in the charge slot) a message popped on the center screen stating Want to Navigate?
  • So pressed the talk ICON and Said yes!
  • Young lady said Navigate too Where?
  • I picked a name and she said There are 7, which one? (All 7 on a map.)
  • Picked one and the route was on a Map on the center screen.
  • Then I asked her to Cancel Navigation, which I think she did.
  • BUT I still had directions displayed. I said again Cancel Navigation. She said You have no Apple Navigations selected.
  • Then under an arrow telling me to turn left was a message, EXIT Navigation? Pressed and directions and route were gone.
  • So I think that last Nav may have been from OnStar? I'm in no rush so will wait until March 27, which OnStar Rep said although I canceled it's still active until them.
  • I was driving in My Mode as I have been and for the whole trip had speed limit displaying on the dash. Was that from Apple CarPlay or OnStar?
  • Will see after March 27!

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Originally Posted by JerryU
...see IF I can use Apple CarPaly when I need NAV...
Google Built-In does not in any way affect Apple CarPlay or AndroidAuto. Both are fully functional on the 2024 and will work just fine with no Onstar subscription.
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Originally Posted by EvanZR1
Google Built-In does not in any way affect Apple CarPlay or AndroidAuto. Both are fully functional on the 2024 and will work just fine with no Onstar subscription.
Thanks. There are also optional fees for Apply CarPlay. What is that about? Don't think I signed up for either of the two options when I loaded CarPlay on my phone.

Some are so sneaky about charging with a simple click you can miss!
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I assumed that 2024 is so new and nobody try the App Access yet. I’ll have to wait for trial over before I can jump to the plan. My C8 does not display speed limit on Tour HUD during trial. Does anyone experience this on your 2024?
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Thanks. There are also optional fees for Apply CarPlay. What is that about? Don't think I signed up for either of the two options when I loaded CarPlay on my phone.

Some are so sneaky about charging with a simple click you can miss!

Jerry, where are you seeing that fee related to Apple CarPlay?

Also (things change so quickly) I'm confused about what you mean by "loading" CarPlay on your phone. On my iPhone, Apple CarPlay is not an "App" that is loaded - its just a built in feature that is enabled from the menu. The equivalent Android function might be an App, I don't know, but I was thinking Apple since you mentioned that.


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^^^
My phone in Apple Car Play App.
I see pic of E-Ray:
Says Activate All Features
Two Options $0.94/week or $14.99/mo
States Activate Navigation, Music, Calls Control
Smart car conductivity add multiple cars in your garage

Sounds like OnStar! Don't think I have "activated!"
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