For many GOOD reasons. You are welcome. Case closed.

 

All of them irrelevant to the discussion of aesthetics. Your reasons are just so much"chalk and cheese".

De gustibus non est disputandum. No need to reply btw.

 

This is the most accurate rendering I've ever seen!! Nailed it!!!

 

If the c8 look anything like the FGT and or NSX at less than $80k is a big winner in imho. I will start saving my pennies.

 

The other thread is closed because people can't get along and stay on topic, but I revised (terribly, using my touchpad and Paint on my laptop) FVS's drawing, while taking Shaka and IronV's comments into consideration. Now I don't know anything about laminar air flow and the like, but I think I understand what they are saying. FirstVetteSoon has really done a lot here, and is to be commended for his efforts. I revised the side intake to address the "side shelf"comments from an apparent insider, C7Pimp, which Shaka expounded upon. Let me know what you think. I'm out of time to draw, but perhaps FVS can continue to refine, if he's not exhausted already


or this...

 

Thanks CorvetteBrando for getting this thread back on track, for it too was heading to be closed before your post.

I have stayed out of laminar flow dialog (way beyond my pay grade). Howevere, there are two things we all agree on:

1) That appearance of the rear fender intake duct will determine to a great degree how gorgeous (or not) the ME will be; and,
2) It needs to be extremely functional — for cooling a ME is harder than a FE.


Suggestion to our mods, stop being so nice to those who are repeating taking threads off track. I for one suggest one warning, then one minimum one week vacation — so that rest of us who like C8/ME threads, and who post consistent with the OP’s post, can continue to enjoy them. At least three good threads in this section alone were locked because a small, repeat number keep posting way off track. Thanks for considering, and also considering changing part of the title to “2020.”

 

Yes, I second that! Threads in this forum are getting ruined time and time again -- mods need to control. Just like they did for the small group of overheating complainers who ruined nearly every thread in the C7 Z06 forum many months ago.

 

Thanks to CorvettoBrando for posting the comments and observations. He also noticed on the sneak-peek thread that there was a notched area on the bottom outside grill opening that had not been noted before.

I am posting this comparison just to get an idea of where everything is netting out.

Of course this can only be estimated since the perspective angles are different but it is close enough to see the similarities. Even like this the lines are not SO far off that it doesn't make sense.

The objective is to get an idea of what the car looks like and how close we can get,- not to argue the merits of different types of aero treatments. GM already did that and we are simply trying to get as close to the overall look of the ME as possible with the help of posters like ZERV and C7pimp who have seen the real deal.


Remember that my rendering used C7pimps description and the spy image to better find the lines of the car.

Location lines shown as follows:

RED=c7pimps comparison lines
GREEN= old mule comparison lines
YELLOW= new spy mule comparison lines.

The TOP images show C7pimps drawing
Second is my rendering with all 3 lines
Third is the Old mule
Last is the new mule.

The point is that the lines are "essentially" in the correct locations or close to it. Sure, for perfecting aero and enhancing the looks of the car, small changes, moving the lines a few mms will make a difference, but it wont make a huge difference in the overall look or the car. IF this rendering is essentially what the ME looks like as C7pimp said it was, you will be able to recognize the ME from the renderings.

Again, I feel the ME will be much more refined and beautiful than the renderings but it's close enough for government work!

When we get more info we can revise. Still hoping C7pimp will comment or give more details on the rear fender vents, rear/side window "intake", front fender vent and spoiler details. Help us C7pimp...you're our only hope!

 

Thanks FVS, did C7P ever respond regarding the aero? Curious if we've made any progress there.

 

Thanks FVS for the overlay. I don't believe we can trust the top two test mule spyshots at all, as the cockpit, window profile, A and B pillars look very much like C7 components of structure and design, and differ vastly from the recent C8 (bottom two in your overlay) spy shots. The test mule, I believe, was for mechanical development and analysis only. Other angles of that early test mule show very clumsy proportions and fender overhangs well past the wheels and tires (making it look very under-tired - or that it's track was way too narrow). The fact that the side inlets and doors in the early mules are barely disguised compared to the C8 photos below them would indicate that there were no aesthetic or aero details added to the car to hide - meaning that the test mule's were likely all about basic "function", without regards to "form" (or aesthetics).

Pragmatics aside, I do give Shaka credit for noticing the shelf comments from C7Pimp, referring to the side inlet opening being created in large part by a pronounced coke-bottle dynamic, creating almost a shelf at the top and bottom (Now I may be interpreting those comments incorrectly, so feel free to comment/disagree/correct me).

Great work again FVS!

 

Thanks.

I agree that the first mules are not the current mule design and can't be used for comparison, - but was noting that the position of the scoop, both height and location is essentially the same as the current mule. It has not change much in height from the sill, size/opening and location, which suggests they learned from the early mule and settled on something close.

As for the shelf, I think my render matches c7pimps pretty well. He has not commented on it being deeper or more aggressive or dramatic etc. If you note the lines you can see that the observable details on the spy image match the features on the rendering.


I am hoping he can help up with some more details and direction.

The "coke bottle" shape c7pimp described was that the midsection narrows in front of and below the scoop. He said the door starts at the front wheel well width and curves in toward the center and rolls down and under as it goes back toward the rear wheel...not unlike the Ford GT although not as extreme.

I think I show this in my render as well as the POV will allow.

 

Hey. The clown who noticed the "shelf" comments from the Pimp was me. Shaka expounded on it with a much more sophisticated observation about airflow management and aerodynamics. Sorry. Had to jump in; it might be the only intelligent contribution I ever make.

For the record. I urge both you and FVS to take another hard look at the La Ferrari. You're on the right track, but--especially factoring in Shaka's observations, you need to push the shelf in further and the bottom sill edge needs to be straighter yet. I admit that might be wishful thinking...

 

OMG, please don't start inserting photos of Ford GTs and Ferraris again! We just had the other thread closed because of the off-topic garbage posts. And please do NOT listen to this IronV kid, who just joined the forum and helped ruin the other thread with off-topic stuff about other cars.

 

I get you.

But this GT image was mearly to help explain how the door on the ME goes in and down as C7 pimp described. I don't think constructive examples should D rail the thread. But Will try to keep it to a minimum to a minimum.

I think IronV has good intentions. Just very excited as we all are for this new car and more information.

 

Spent a little time revising the render a little to try and capture the "feel" of C7pimps drawing even tho he said he could not quite capture the lines right on the image due to the different perspective.

This render does not quite match the points on the spy pics but are close enough so it could go either way.

I tried to make this one a bit more dramatic and dynamic looking and stretched and sharpened the scoop lines and ledge a bit.

I am not sure what he was trying to illustrate with the top of the rear Q but I guessed at it and included the fender vents shown in the CAD images.

Let me know what you think.

 

A recent render had the body-colored A pillars. I think that looked a lot better with the mid-engine dimensions. I hope you were correct on that one...

 

who knows what they will offer but here is a comparison.

 

As with the other thread, I thought this one was a "forum," about what the C8's going to look like. Imagine my surprise! Why wouldn't a photo of other MEs be germane to the discussion?

 

Yes Germane cars and some Brits and Eyetalian cars should be included in the discussion as well.