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Old Apr 27, 2019 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rmorin1249
If the economy falters in 2020 all bets are off in terms of the success of the C8. I'm hoping for a base price under $65k, if not I'm out.
No "If," it will falter. Just a matter of when.

Historic high in the stock market, one of the longest bull markets in Stocks and Real Estate, guess what happens next?

If Hildabeast had been POTUS we would be in a recession already.

Trump just delayed it with Tax cuts, opened up Oil & Gas licenses, removed Gov't Regs killing business and No Green Deal ****.

But all markets have cycles, next one will be Global and maybe a disaster.

Good news = Cheaper C8s,

I might get that C8 Z06 for around a $100k after all.

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Old Apr 27, 2019 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG Dave
Why does Ferrrai and Lamborghini charge what they charge? It’s not because the engine is in the middle, it’s because much of their cars is hand assembled, along with better quality leather, less plastic and more aluminum and/or carbon fiber. Will the C8 be hand assembled? No. Will it have the highest quality leather? No. I’m going on record and stating the base price of the C8 will start under $70K. Let’s come back here on 7/18/19 and see if I’m wrong.
Wrong.

It's because they can, pure and simple.

Years ago Ferrari and Lambo quality sucked, they still charged Premium prices.

They are status symbols for most people.

Rolex is not even in Top 10 of luxury watches, yet they command Premium pricing.

Dealers (ADs) are not allowed to sell below MSRP or they lose their License.

Scarcity, Limited Editions, Sense of Urgency (hype) etc... all add up to Rolex charging premium prices. Very smart marketers, better than Apple.

How much do you think a C8 would cost if Limited to 8,000 units, aka Ferrari?

There's your $160k price.
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Old Apr 27, 2019 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Yarbie
Sorrrrryyyyy. Ferrari or Lambo is not a comparison to a vette. Those cars have 10 times the quality of parts, tech and built by hand quality. Anyone who compares a vette to an exotic like these is delusional. A $60k car is just that a $60k car folks.
It's fun to dream and say omg I bought a vette and now I have an exotic car. Laughable.

... and my Lexus has 10x the quality of Ferrari, better reliability, never breaks, runs on fumes, and can go 300k miles without an engine rebuild.
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Old Apr 27, 2019 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Supermassive
The base model no option C7 Stingray is still an amazing car compared to anything else on the market in a remotely close price range. When I buy my C8, I'll be buying whatever the hi-po Z06 equivalent is, but I will likely be buying a stripper C8 1LT with Z51 late in the 8th generation when the prices come way down to use as a dedicated track car, hell I may buy it used at that point, we'll see. It's silly to knock the base model of a Corvette because it is still a super capable car...and always has been. Trying to compare it to cars like the Huracan and 488 is just stupid due to the difference in cost and performance.

Also knowing what the base price allows those of us who stack options to get a good idea of what the price will look like when we have what we want. The lower the base model no option price is the better for everyone.
$44,000 New

https://kerbeck.com/corvettes/2019-c...t-new-g191768/
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Old Apr 27, 2019 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Stingcan
I think a lot of people have to re listen to mary Baras speech. She clearly said it is made by chevrolet and costs many times less than what it competes against. So I would think with her saying that the formula wil not change
Obviously, I agree, but there are a few folks here who can't seem to figure that out.
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 89L98
Anyone who pays 100K for a GS has two screws loose. The C8 will start at 70K. And, go up very quickly from there.
Here ya go, $53,000 https://kerbeck.com/corvettes/2019-c...t-new-g191489/
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 12:21 AM
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As many have mentioned on here, the price will not be staggering, I can assure you. From someone that has had to study production, accounting, and overall business models, it would be financial suicide to make this car extremely expensive at the base level. If you think about it, the c6-c7 welding and technology gap with metals was a leap in strength, but cost effective. A mid engine car is no different. The c7 didnt even need a solid roof to make federal rigidity requirements. The mid engine will be easily welded in larger piece and far superior being caged in the back end. The lt2 evolution, I doubt will be that more expensive. Theyll push that tech to every other GM car and cost it out. When you step back from the drawing board you only have panel and computers. Computers like many have posted were the new evolution of gm's modern system. Theyll cost that down. It all trickles down. The panel expensive wont be bad because GM has sourced producers that made even the ZR1 cost effective back in the C6 days. If they go ***** to the wall with the C8 being the only corvette produced like report have indicated, target the car at an attractive 57-59k for base. Larger production means theyre going to churn these out faster than c7s in the starter years. Gm is bringing cost down by sheer production.
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by emsguy
I read the news stories that GM was adding a second shift at BG. Seems to me that means that they expect to sell a lot of C8's. Don't think they will see that volume at 100K+, as some are saying. Seems to me that this projected volume is a good indication that the pricing won't be that much more than the C7, and GM is looking to make a reasonable profit on many cars rather than a huge profit on a few.
It's already been pegged at or under $70K, by insiders here. Production volume will be off the charts. Your "$100,000.00K+" is a fantasy.
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
Ugh, once again where were these links a month ago when I was car buying???
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Ugh, once again where were these links a month ago when I was car buying???
They may not have been there a month ago. Select in stock units can be bargained on. How do you think I got -20% off MSRP on a new C7 2017 in Nov. 2017? I bargained for it.
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jefnvk
Ugh, once again where were these links a month ago when I was car buying???
Isn't Kerbeck like the #1 Corvette Dealer?
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tennis & Golf Nut
Isn't Kerbeck like the #1 Corvette Dealer?
To be fair I wasn't shopping mid $50s cars, but new Corvettes in the mid $40s I probably woulda given a thought or three to...
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 02:02 AM
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If I’m not mistaken the $56k base model Corvette is Chevrolet’s highest sell Corvette model and the $120k ZR1 is their lowest selling model by far. GM is not adding 400 hourly employees, a second shift and expanding the plant to build a small number of expensive cars. Every new generation has just been slightly more expensive than the last.

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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 02:37 AM
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You are correct, sir. The ZR1 sold 2K units in the first 12 months of production. There is not a large market for over $100K Corvettes.

For the 2018 MY, which is the last year we have a breakdown of model sales for, the Stingray accounted for approximately 40% of sales followed by 30% for GS, and 30% for Z06.

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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Yarbie
Sorrrrryyyyy. Ferrari or Lambo is not a comparison to a vette. Those cars have 10 times the quality of parts, tech and built by hand quality. Anyone who compares a vette to an exotic like these is delusional. A $60k car is just that a $60k car folks.
It's fun to dream and say omg I bought a vette and now I have an exotic car. Laughable.
Why are you on a Corvette Forum then? 10x the quality of parts and tech? Give me a break. Just because a guy named Lorenzo or Giovanni built it doesn't mean it came from Heaven.
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
You can't imagine what's changed in 20 years? Wow.

Corporate execs will say whatever is necessary to squash questions about corporate strategy at any given point in time. Thus, Dave Hill made up a story 20 years ago that was convenient for the time. You bought it.
good points. But 20 years ago I paid $42k for a top of the line C5. You’re right prices have gone up in 20 years. And I sure GM costs Gabe gone down.

Guess we should make the same conclusion on Mary’s recent comments?
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Old Apr 28, 2019 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Supermassive
Bowling Green with one shift and the current number of workers can output about 32,000 cars a year.
That is incorrect. Kai Spade said that BG has the capability to produce 32,000 Corvettes at full utilization, not on one shift. I think most of us understood that to mean two shifts and the primary limitation is the capacity of the new paint shop, which requires significantly more time to paint a car.
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Originally Posted by JerriVette
HIf i remember correctly one of the reasons the viper went out of prodiction and was a failure in the marketplace was its much elevated price from the previous generation.

the viper was a stunning vehicle in its last iteration. I think the pricing was wrong as was the unavailability of inventory.

thats a shame because if the viper were still in production viper enthusiasts and owners wouldnt have to travel to new forums to stir the pot ...

Ive driven the 510 hp viper and they are so well priced these days its hard to not suggest those that want 500 hp manual convertibles at an excellent price not consider one...

their owner base for the most part rarely drives them so they are like brand spanking new.

my friend just offered me his 7700 mile 2004 beautiful red viper for what amounts to close to half of what a c8 will cost...

he is tempted to go for the new c8 himself.

things change bro..

i suggested he keep his beautiful viper as its literally in better condition than when delivered...and unless he was planning on actually driving his sports cars more often...what would be the sense.l

welcome viper1 fan
I own a 2008 8.4l 600hp convertible..

i actually passed on a C7 and ordered the Viper from Nebraska.. for 63k.. a little more then a new Vette =)

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Originally Posted by LIStingray
That is incorrect. Kai Spade said that BG has the capability to produce 32,000 Corvettes at full utilization, not on one shift. I think most of us understood that to mean two shifts and the primary limitation is the capacity of the new paint shop, which requires significantly more time to paint a car.
I think you're right, that's what was said around the time the new plant opened. He also said they'd be slowing the line down a bit to focus more on QC. It was also convenient because C7 demand was dropping pretty fast. It's pure speculation, but manufacturers often find ways to speed things up when faced with more demand than supply.

Originally Posted by Greg00Coupe
good points. But 20 years ago I paid $42k for a top of the line C5. You’re right prices have gone up in 20 years. And I sure GM costs Gabe gone down.

Guess we should make the same conclusion on Mary’s recent comments?
That's a different scenario than you described with Dave Hill 20 years ago. Mary Barra wasn't forced into a situation where she needed to make excuses for why GM wasn't doing something.

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Originally Posted by ViperFan1
169k base..

period.

The 50-60k stuff is nonsense. The first ME Vette' made by Chevy is not going to cost less than a 2009 ZR1 with low miles on it, a Jeep Trackhawk or the (c7) z06..

It's going to be made to compete with Lambo, McLaren, and Ferrari on the manhood size/wallet level..

Current Vette's already destroy the expected competition...
So your "logic" is, GM, during a time when they're struggling, is going to abandon a car/price-point that has sold well in excess of 100,000 units in 6 years. After 67 years of making affordable sports cars, they're going to take the plant they just spent $439 million upgrading and build a halo car? I'm guessing you've never run a business?
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