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Old May 10, 2019 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by godzilladude
Any way we can find out which local dealers will be on the Tour?
All Dealers that sign up as "Signature Dealers" will have a specific mention on the Chevrolet Website. No commitment yet as to who or when the in dealer experiences will be allocated or announced.
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It is all a Tax write off , quit complaining and a history car in the making!
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I’ll even up the ante and predict that along with several, or more C8s they will proudly display a rolling ME Chassis for the Corvette Brethren to inspect. These Corvette Enthusiasts attending Corvettes at Carlisle love to delve deep into aspects of engineering of Corvettes. And I expect Corvette Engineers will happily oblige.

that was at the Chicago auto show too
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Originally Posted by Walter Raulerson
$16,000/1 day and $25,000/2 days for an expert to come to the dealer I suspect with a C8 and explain to the dealer and the customers how to order and answer any questions. The dealer must also give his youngest child to GM for collateral the first year of the C8.
Dealers could make up this cost in additional sales. Many times you'll have buyers on the fence about buying a new Corvette but when they have this personal up close presentation they get excited enough to push them over the edge and order one. The bigger issue will be allocation and whether any of these dealers will be able to fill all the orders they might get at least in a reasonable amount of time.
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I dont understand the point of this "parade". why would anyone want to parade in their car or watch others do it?
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Originally Posted by MATTBEAVER
We signed up for the "Signature Corvette Dealer Program" … Haven't decided on the Corvette mobile tour just yet... They are asking for a lot of money with not that many details on the event, no word on allocation, nothing... Just give us $16,000-$25,000 and we MAY get a car to your store prior to production IF it fits the tour schedule... With that being said I'm sure we'll do it.

Yep, Manheim every Friday. lol.. Will you be there?
Hey Matt, I was told 15,000 a day for it to sit there at your dealership and 3500 a piece to go Ron Fellows for the dealer big wigs each and a service tech.

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My opinion is they are putting too much emphasis on pre-sales, and not nearly enough on post sales. These dealer programs make no sense at all. Did anyone at GM think about this prior to coming up with it?

What's the point of sending the one salesperson to Spring Mountain? Are they trying to turn sales people into race car drivers? Who's test driving the car, the Spring Mountain salesperson or the potential customer? People don't need a race car driver to sell them a car. They need people who know something about the car.

What happens if a customer comes to the dealer to look at the C8, and it's the one Spring Mountain sales person's day off, he/she is out sick, or he/she is with another customer? This makes no sense. The entire sales staff should be trained on the car, not one person.

The deakership is required to purchase $1500 worth of C8 tools, but that doesn't mean the tech working on your C8 knows how to use them.

GM needs to focus on the entire purchase and ownership experience.

* The dealership staff is fully trained on the car's features.
* The owner is guaranteed to have a C8 tech work on the car, even for an oil change.
* The techs are full trained, and tested. If they don't pass the tests, they don't work on C8s. That includes oil changes, tire replacement, etc.
* The techs and all service personnel are trained and tested on how to care for C8s including preventing damage during repairs, dirtying the car, scratching the car during washes or service..
* Programs are put in place to eliminate dealer personnel from "joy riding" customers' C8s.
* Dealers are required to provide decent loaner cars to owners of C8s while their cars are in for extended service.
* Every person involved in the sales and service of the C8 is required to pass tests. If the person doesn't pass, that person has no contact with C8s or their owners. None.
* GM makes spot visits to inspect the dealership to be sure they are in compliance with the above.
* Any dealer found retaliating against a customer for low feedback score or a complaint to GM, has their franchise agreement nullified.
* When dealers find a chronic warranty issue, GM voluntarily recalls the cars for repair, rather than waiting for almost all of them to break.
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Old Jun 17, 2019 | 10:32 PM
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Excitement sells cars. Sales people who have been around a track in the newest generation vette are always mind blown. I get what you are saying though... but its also a way for GM to make money off the dealerships, and supply and demand sets the price. Since they have enough dealers who will say yes, they set the price high.
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We'll be signing up for 2 days I believe. It sounds like the tour will have a major display as well as a C8(hopefully).

If anyone wants to check one out at Matick, we'd like to see you guys! I'll announce the dates as soon as I know them.
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Fingers crossed we have a dealer within a couple hours drive for this.
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael A
My opinion is they are putting too much emphasis on pre-sales, and not nearly enough on post sales. These dealer programs make no sense at all. Did anyone at GM think about this prior to coming up with it?

What's the point of sending the one salesperson to Spring Mountain? Are they trying to turn sales people into race car drivers? Who's test driving the car, the Spring Mountain salesperson or the potential customer? People don't need a race car driver to sell them a car. They need people who know something about the car.

What happens if a customer comes to the dealer to look at the C8, and it's the one Spring Mountain sales person's day off, he/she is out sick, or he/she is with another customer? This makes no sense. The entire sales staff should be trained on the car, not one person.

The deakership is required to purchase $1500 worth of C8 tools, but that doesn't mean the tech working on your C8 knows how to use them.

GM needs to focus on the entire purchase and ownership experience.

* The dealership staff is fully trained on the car's features.
* The owner is guaranteed to have a C8 tech work on the car, even for an oil change.
* The techs are full trained, and tested. If they don't pass the tests, they don't work on C8s. That includes oil changes, tire replacement, etc.
* The techs and all service personnel are trained and tested on how to care for C8s including preventing damage during repairs, dirtying the car, scratching the car during washes or service..
* Programs are put in place to eliminate dealer personnel from "joy riding" customers' C8s.
* Dealers are required to provide decent loaner cars to owners of C8s while their cars are in for extended service.
* Every person involved in the sales and service of the C8 is required to pass tests. If the person doesn't pass, that person has no contact with C8s or their owners. None.
* GM makes spot visits to inspect the dealership to be sure they are in compliance with the above.
* Any dealer found retaliating against a customer for low feedback score or a complaint to GM, has their franchise agreement nullified.
* When dealers find a chronic warranty issue, GM voluntarily recalls the cars for repair, rather than waiting for almost all of them to break.
Good lord, it is a Chevy.
Nice wish list but this is a production car that compared to its competition is like a Colbalt.
Poor feedback score and they should lose their franchise? Really?
After about a minute or so any guy who has changed a tire on a bicycle can figure out how to change a tire on a car. Do you suppose Discount Tire is not going to sell Pilot SS tires because they didn't go to the Spring Mountain training course?
Dealer loaner car is a service that the dealer provides, not GM. So you want the dealer to have a fleet of Corvettes to offer as loaners, to good to use a Cruse or a Camaro?
This is a $65,000 car, hell Chevy makes pickup trucks that cost more than Corvette.
Send one to the training course and the rest of the staff can learn from that one, ages old practice. Not so certain that you need to have a C8 tech to change the oil. After all even Chevy couldn't get it right on the early C7's. Might have been better to borrow a Ferrari tech. LOL
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Old Jun 21, 2019 | 09:33 PM
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A little insight from Toyota. There is only 1 technician at my service department that can touch the 2020 Supra, when they bring it in for training. We were given the special connection cord that mates to the laptops this week. There are also special PDI instructions, and special lift modifications, exclusive to the Supra. It takes 3 hours to PDI a new Supra. The car comes off the truck in sleep mode. It must be programmed, in order to exit sleep mode. The C8 will be no different. Very specific instructions are being given to the dealers and certain technicians.
Originally Posted by Michael A
My opinion is they are putting too much emphasis on pre-sales, and not nearly enough on post sales. These dealer programs make no sense at all. Did anyone at GM think about this prior to coming up with it?What's the point of sending the one salesperson to Spring Mountain? Are they trying to turn sales people into race car drivers? Who's test driving the car, the Spring Mountain salesperson or the potential customer? People don't need a race car driver to sell them a car. They need people who know something about the car.What happens if a customer comes to the dealer to look at the C8, and it's the one Spring Mountain sales person's day off, he/she is out sick, or he/she is with another customer? This makes no sense. The entire sales staff should be trained on the car, not one person.The deakership is required to purchase $1500 worth of C8 tools, but that doesn't mean the tech working on your C8 knows how to use them.GM needs to focus on the entire purchase and ownership experience.* The dealership staff is fully trained on the car's features.* The owner is guaranteed to have a C8 tech work on the car, even for an oil change.* The techs are full trained, and tested. If they don't pass the tests, they don't work on C8s. That includes oil changes, tire replacement, etc.* The techs and all service personnel are trained and tested on how to care for C8s including preventing damage during repairs, dirtying the car, scratching the car during washes or service..* Programs are put in place to eliminate dealer personnel from "joy riding" customers' C8s.* Dealers are required to provide decent loaner cars to owners of C8s while their cars are in for extended service.* Every person involved in the sales and service of the C8 is required to pass tests. If the person doesn't pass, that person has no contact with C8s or their owners. None.* GM makes spot visits to inspect the dealership to be sure they are in compliance with the above.* Any dealer found retaliating against a customer for low feedback score or a complaint to GM, has their franchise agreement nullified.* When dealers find a chronic warranty issue, GM voluntarily recalls the cars for repair, rather than waiting for almost all of them to break.
Never happen.

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Originally Posted by JerriVette
Not inexpensive to lead the charge for chevrolet dealerships to have the honor od selling corvettes...

wow...thanks for the insight from the dealers perspective...

takes awhile to recuperate 25 grand ...

part of it a deduction? Part a vacation?

i think there is clearly value there but the cost to dealers is not inconsequential

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the C-8 will be selling for $10K / $20K over sticker when they hit the showroom so the dealer recover the cost quickly.
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Originally Posted by Michael A
My opinion is they are putting too much emphasis on pre-sales, and not nearly enough on post sales. These dealer programs make no sense at all. Did anyone at GM think about this prior to coming up with it?

What's the point of sending the one salesperson to Spring Mountain? Are they trying to turn sales people into race car drivers? Who's test driving the car, the Spring Mountain salesperson or the potential customer? People don't need a race car driver to sell them a car. They need people who know something about the car.

What happens if a customer comes to the dealer to look at the C8, and it's the one Spring Mountain sales person's day off, he/she is out sick, or he/she is with another customer? This makes no sense. The entire sales staff should be trained on the car, not one person.

The deakership is required to purchase $1500 worth of C8 tools, but that doesn't mean the tech working on your C8 knows how to use them.

GM needs to focus on the entire purchase and ownership experience.

* The dealership staff is fully trained on the car's features.
* The owner is guaranteed to have a C8 tech work on the car, even for an oil change.
* The techs are full trained, and tested. If they don't pass the tests, they don't work on C8s. That includes oil changes, tire replacement, etc.
* The techs and all service personnel are trained and tested on how to care for C8s including preventing damage during repairs, dirtying the car, scratching the car during washes or service..
* Programs are put in place to eliminate dealer personnel from "joy riding" customers' C8s.
* Dealers are required to provide decent loaner cars to owners of C8s while their cars are in for extended service.
* Every person involved in the sales and service of the C8 is required to pass tests. If the person doesn't pass, that person has no contact with C8s or their owners. None.
* GM makes spot visits to inspect the dealership to be sure they are in compliance with the above.
* Any dealer found retaliating against a customer for low feedback score or a complaint to GM, has their franchise agreement nullified.
* When dealers find a chronic warranty issue, GM voluntarily recalls the cars for repair, rather than waiting for almost all of them to break.
So erroneous as to be somewhat humorous. While I can understand ones enthusiasm for the Corvette, at some point you need to let realism in. There are approximately 3,000 Chevrolet dealers in the U.S. In 2018, you could be in the top 50 dealers by selling 42 new Corvettes. If you sold all 42 for sticker...you better still sell a lot of other cars to be able to stay in business.

If someone decided your word to be Gospel, you would be lucky to get 10% of your dealers to buy into an expensive program and also lucky to sell half the C8's you need to sell to keep producing them. That would also assume the people now in charge of one of the world's largest companies are complete idiots and you know far more than they do as a fanboy about their business.
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Originally Posted by rcooper
Good lord, it is a Chevy.
Nice wish list but this is a production car that compared to its competition is like a Colbalt.
Poor feedback score and they should lose their franchise? Really?
After about a minute or so any guy who has changed a tire on a bicycle can figure out how to change a tire on a car. Do you suppose Discount Tire is not going to sell Pilot SS tires because they didn't go to the Spring Mountain training course?
Dealer loaner car is a service that the dealer provides, not GM. So you want the dealer to have a fleet of Corvettes to offer as loaners, to good to use a Cruse or a Camaro?
This is a $65,000 car, hell Chevy makes pickup trucks that cost more than Corvette.
Send one to the training course and the rest of the staff can learn from that one, ages old practice. Not so certain that you need to have a C8 tech to change the oil. After all even Chevy couldn't get it right on the early C7's. Might have been better to borrow a Ferrari tech. LOL
You didn't read my post carefully, and are completely misquoting it. There are so many mistakes here it is going to take too much time to correct them.
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Originally Posted by JALLEN4
So erroneous as to be somewhat humorous. While I can understand ones enthusiasm for the Corvette, at some point you need to let realism in. There are approximately 3,000 Chevrolet dealers in the U.S. In 2018, you could be in the top 50 dealers by selling 42 new Corvettes. If you sold all 42 for sticker...you better still sell a lot of other cars to be able to stay in business.

If someone decided your word to be Gospel, you would be lucky to get 10% of your dealers to buy into an expensive program and also lucky to sell half the C8's you need to sell to keep producing them. That would also assume the people now in charge of one of the world's largest companies are complete idiots and you know far more than they do as a fanboy about their business.
Well said!! We signed up as a Signature Corvette Dealer now the costs. The owner, The service manager, and myself to Spring Mountain $3,500 each $10,500, 3 round trip airplane tickets from Philadelphia to Vegas, rental car, meals, about $2,000 for tools, $16,000 for the tour truck for one day, plus the costs of the Corvette Brochures, and you know GM will also have some other hidden costs. We will spend $30,000 before we get one car to sell.
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Originally Posted by CRABBYJ


I’ll even up the ante and predict that along with several, or more C8s they will proudly display a rolling ME Chassis for the Corvette Brethren to inspect. These Corvette Enthusiasts attending Corvettes at Carlisle love to delve deep into aspects of engineering of Corvettes. And I expect Corvette Engineers will happily oblige.

IIRC, that C7 was also displayed at SEMA several years ago. The SEMA show will most likely be when I get my first up close and personal with the C8. I still remember the first time a saw a C5 on the street, I was on a business trip in Vancouver BC, it was Torch Red.
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Originally Posted by Al@MatickChevy
We'll be signing up for 2 days I believe. It sounds like the tour will have a major display as well as a C8(hopefully).

If anyone wants to check one out at Matick, we'd like to see you guys! I'll announce the dates as soon as I know them.
Hello Al, please add me to your tour date info distribution list, as I want to check it out!
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My opinion is they are putting too much emphasis on pre-sales, and not nearly enough on post sales. These dealer programs make no sense at all. Did anyone at GM think about this prior to coming up with it?

What's the point of sending the one salesperson to Spring Mountain? Are they trying to turn sales people into race car drivers? Who's test driving the car, the Spring Mountain salesperson or the potential customer? People don't need a race car driver to sell them a car. They need people who know something about the car.

What happens if a customer comes to the dealer to look at the C8, and it's the one Spring Mountain sales person's day off, he/she is out sick, or he/she is with another customer? This makes no sense. The entire sales staff should be trained on the car, not one person.

The deakership is required to purchase $1500 worth of C8 tools, but that doesn't mean the tech working on your C8 knows how to use them.

GM needs to focus on the entire purchase and ownership experience.

* The dealership staff is fully trained on the car's features.
* The owner is guaranteed to have a C8 tech work on the car, even for an oil change.
* The techs are full trained, and tested. If they don't pass the tests, they don't work on C8s. That includes oil changes, tire replacement, etc.
* The techs and all service personnel are trained and tested on how to care for C8s including preventing damage during repairs, dirtying the car, scratching the car during washes or service..
* Programs are put in place to eliminate dealer personnel from "joy riding" customers' C8s.
* Dealers are required to provide decent loaner cars to owners of C8s while their cars are in for extended service.
* Every person involved in the sales and service of the C8 is required to pass tests. If the person doesn't pass, that person has no contact with C8s or their owners. None.
* GM makes spot visits to inspect the dealership to be sure they are in compliance with the above.
* Any dealer found retaliating against a customer for low feedback score or a complaint to GM, has their franchise agreement nullified.
* When dealers find a chronic warranty issue, GM voluntarily recalls the cars for repair, rather than waiting for almost all of them to break.

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Originally Posted by Al@MatickChevy
We'll be signing up for 2 days I believe. It sounds like the tour will have a major display as well as a C8(hopefully).

If anyone wants to check one out at Matick, we'd like to see you guys! I'll announce the dates as soon as I know them.
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