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I stand corrected, FVS, yours is the only render I've seen that does not add width. Sorry
It is really only perspective I think. Chaz has shown in a drawing that the top of the scoop does not stick out any more than the bottom of the door. At some angles it "looks like" the scoop is sticking out but that is only because the body of the car caves in and "coke - bottles" ...the scoop will not be wider than the rear fenders.
^^^ I know... I championed that shape first and very early based on the CAD drawings. Chaz agreed with those renderings and elaborated the trim blade. It won't be like that IMO. Not exactly anyway.
^^^ I know... I championed that shape first and very early based on the CAD drawings. Chaz agreed with those renderings and elaborated the trim blade. It won't be like that IMO. Not exactly anyway.
If I was forced to guess Id say it was not real... just a render... prob. Chaz's that was chopped and blurred as a prank...
That CAD scoop opening is a raw opening. You can see the ducting at the surface level. It would need to be covered by a trim plate of some kind, not just a blade. And that CAD may not be the final body surface and only the understructure so we can't be sure.
Last edited by firstvettesoon; Jul 9, 2019 at 07:38 PM.
Its gonna be one ugly *** car. Yikes. The end of the road for Corvette. There won't be a C9 if so itll be electric which is pretty much saying it's time to call it quits.
The C7 car is 74 inches wide, with 55 inches of shoulder room, and its doors are 9.5 inches thick, approx. The new C8 is about the same overall width (I think) and has similar door thickness, without the scoops. You can't make a much thinner door (the windows have to have tumblehome and there are door safety structures) so any scoop has to be added to the door thickness, not hollowed out of it. You, therefore, have to add a six inch thick scoop to each door, so your doors are now at least 15.5 inches each thick. To maintain the car's width (without hanging the scoops outside its normal width), you'd have to take this room from the interior by Coke-bottling the middle of the car. This reduces shoulder room by 12 inches!!!! You can see the results on any new Ford GT - very, very cozy in there.
I don't see such a severe coke bottle shape on the new car. A bit perhaps, a lot of narrowing on the roof, but the interior looks none too tight. I can't prove it, but I think the mules extreme scoops are outside the car's profile. The renders, however, cannot package all this into the existing width without reducing interior width severely.
Its gonna be one ugly *** car. Yikes. The end of the road for Corvette. There won't be a C9 if so itll be electric which is pretty much saying it's time to call it quits.
You don't like the C8, yet you keep coming back to view it. Go comb your mullet and enjoy your camEro.
The C7 car is 74 inches wide, with 55 inches of shoulder room, and its doors are 9.5 inches thick, approx. The new C8 is about the same overall width (I think) and has similar door thickness, without the scoops. You can't make a much thinner door (the windows have to have tumblehome and there are door safety structures) so any scoop has to be added to the door thickness, not hollowed out of it. You, therefore, have to add a six inch thick scoop to each door, so your doors are now at least 15.5 inches each thick. To maintain the car's width (without hanging the scoops outside its normal width), you'd have to take this room from the interior by Coke-bottling the middle of the car. This reduces shoulder room by 12 inches!!!! You can see the results on any new Ford GT - very, very cozy in there.
I don't see such a severe coke bottle shape on the new car. A bit perhaps, a lot of narrowing on the roof, but the interior looks none too tight. I can't prove it, but I think the mules extreme scoops are outside the car's profile. The renders, however, cannot package all this into the existing width without reducing interior width severely.
Looks like the "coke-bottle" starts low at the passengers hips and curves up and back behind the passengers. Should not affect the the interior room much.
There are images of 2 people inside... don't look too cramped...
Last edited by firstvettesoon; Jul 9, 2019 at 09:51 PM.
I saw the fake scoop you refer to on your mule pic, but try to ignore it for a moment, it's not important in this argument.
Pay attention: One of my dimensions is just behind the door opening and it demonstrates the body width at that point, showing that the main body itself has a similar thickness to its width in the more forward dimension. In essence, the body is pretty constant in thickness.
Now, if there were really a local scoop, you expect to see it's thickness at the door edge, as its thickness should be very prominent there - all renders (except mine and FVS') show very significant scoop thickness at the door edge . But, in the picture below the scoop is not prominent. In fact, the door is no more than 5-6 inches wide at the door opening, as you would expect, if there were no scoop thickness . There is NO scoop thickness shown in the pic below, therefore, there is no big, wide, scoop prominent of the body.
But when you look st the end of the doors you get a different perspective.
Sorry for the low resolution.
Edit: anybody got a high resolution version of this pic?
If you try to attach some trim piece on that pointed edge, (a trim piece like the one Chaz drew above), its going to break off the first time someone opens the door into another car, or alternatively, that sharp point is going to badly damage the car next to it or maim the passenger when he/she tried to get in. As an old GM body designer, I seriously doubt GM would take that chance.
In any case, the contour of the door at the edge is shown below, drawn in white. My guess is that there is no trim piece, that the door is actually shaped like that, leading to some sort of scooped indentation in the quarter. I see no further point in arguing about this, though, I'm not going to try to convince you guys of anything here; it doesn't matter, the car will be out in a few days.
Tool, try to refrain from getting in a last dig and saying I'm wrong again. You seem to enjoy that, but it's childish. I may be wrong, but so might you, neither of us know today. Please leave it at that. You'll have a good idea whose right and wrong on the 18th, maybe you should avoid your all-knowing claims until then.
Mike
Last edited by Vettrocious; Jul 10, 2019 at 06:32 AM.
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