‘Ring time?
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Sep 1, 2019, 01:42 PM
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7:18. It was written all over the car. “Easter Egg”!!!
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Tadge said they have a time. But it's not, "their priority." Whatever that means. Because the rest of the manufacturers have a ring time out, it seems, like, before they even release the car. You could figure that it's somewhere between the 7:10 of the C7 Z06, and the 7:33 time of the C7 Stingray. I would guess its somewhere in the middle of those two times. There is no way it's going to get around the track in under the z06 time. There just isn't enough power in the midrange to get the car to top speed, in the straights.
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I think it will be right at the GS ring time either right ahead or behind. Plus its tough because forever abs a day it was all jim mero (to be able to compare the various models to one another)... who knows how the other driver's will do.. or if they will combine segmented times.
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That was my feeling, and it seemed feasible. The base Z51 C7 was a 7:33...and granted 7:18 is in between C6 Z07 and C6 ZR1...so, it seems possible with the near C6Z hp output, but mid engine/dct/aero advantage. C7Z is 7:13 via sportauto, and I think Mero claimed 7:10. 7:18 definitely seems like the number.
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I don't think Ford ever released the Ford GT ring time since first it's very difficult to get a clean run because you will be constantly running into traffics and secondly there are just too many variables. I believed reading somewhere that the C7Z06 ring time was calculated and not an actual time. Basically they add together the time from various sections and through some software simulation, the entire track time was then calculated.
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I want to know why anyone thinks the Ring Time is meaningful.
If you (the new owner--non race driving professional) were to get in the car with the as delivered tires, you would not be able to get within 30 seconds of the posted time, maybe even 60 seconds of the posted time.
After doing 20-30 laps, you might have the tire air pressures optimized, but still be 30 seconds from the factory posted time.
If you (the new owner--non race driving professional) were to get in the car with the as delivered tires, you would not be able to get within 30 seconds of the posted time, maybe even 60 seconds of the posted time.
After doing 20-30 laps, you might have the tire air pressures optimized, but still be 30 seconds from the factory posted time.
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I think it will be right at the GS ring time either right ahead or behind. Plus its tough because forever abs a day it was all jim mero (to be able to compare the various models to one another)... who knows how the other driver's will do.. or if they will combine segmented times.
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As has been stated, the times are quite variable (confounded by segment time mathematical acrobatics) and even a team that spends weeks on the ring will have difficulty being consistent. In terms of the "who gives a crud" attitude; the ring is a benchmark that has a lot of data on a very challenging track, so the results are telling in the overall performance potential of the car in relation to its piers.
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The 'Ring shows a car's full potential compared to others when pushed ***** to the wall. Some people think that's a good comparative benchmark of power and handling performance in a track like environment.
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Segmented times are inherently dishonest. That would be like having the world record for 10,000 meters set by the best time run for each 1000 meters. BTW, the record for men is 26:17.53. For women is it 29:17.45.
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A finite conclusion as to a cars pace! ;)
I segmented out some of Mero's original C6 ZR1 run against Magnusson's passenger carrying hyper space play run. Guys, and I, thought Magnussen's was faster, but, it is just poorer resolution. Gleaned something! Couldn't we do the same thing against any cars on any particular part of the track just for giggles!?
WAS IT PULLING TIMING TOO MUCH!? IE LFA C6ZR1 comparison video! IE Did its undersized ACR front tires fall apart....
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I don't see why GM would potentially stall the momentum of the great press the C8 is getting with a Ring Time. Expectations are so high that anything over 7 minutes would be a huge disappointment and the C8 is not even close to being a 7 minute car with 495hp, 400lbs of down force and good but not great tires and brakes... Wait for the Z06 or something that will at least best a 3 year old Viper time..
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I don't think Ford ever released the Ford GT ring time since first it's very difficult to get a clean run because you will be constantly running into traffics and secondly there are just too many variables. I believed reading somewhere that the C7Z06 ring time was calculated and not an actual time. Basically they add together the time from various sections and through some software simulation, the entire track time was then calculated.
And like others have said, could see the 7:18 could definitely have lined up with the stars ring and reveal moon landing whatever lol.
But if they are only going to use segmented times that is definitely lame.. and should just not be something to brag about (maybe why they aren't?). With the importance of this cars change, as popular as its release has been so far... why not rent the track out and do it on camera make it big?
I know they don't have Jim any more but can't they get someone capable of doing it and doing it well?
Corvette has always been the underdog bully punching above its weight. If the base model can do some real damage on their turf? Do it...
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Jim mero ran a pre aux radiator equipped (early) Z06 with 100 octane cal the full uninterrupted lap time of 7:10 but the caveat being with the old mag ride tune (whereas the new cal 18 up and for 350 installed on previous years, brought lap times at tracks a 1/4 the size by a second or more like VIR).
And like others have said, could see the 7:18 could definitely have lined up with the stars ring and reveal moon landing whatever lol.
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And like others have said, could see the 7:18 could definitely have lined up with the stars ring and reveal moon landing whatever lol.
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