Paint protection
My local installer has a "track pack" with thicker product for certain areas. I intend to do the front bumper, headlights, probably some of the hood an fenders, then the lower rockers, side mirrors, and the leading edge of the side scoop inlets.
For the best, I like Xpel Ultimate for PPF, it is a bit thicker by a few mils, and the gloss is the best I have seen.
For Ceramic, it depends on what you want, If you are after the lifetime warranty, Ceramic Pro can't be beat. Great shine, great self cleaning, and excellent durability, plus they have saturated the market, so if your detailer disappears, you can go to another Ceramic Pro installer and they will fix the issue under the warranty.
For the DIY Kamikaze Miyabe or ISM..You have a lot of time to work with the product and remove high spots/streaks. My test car has both and they have been holding up very well for the last 4 years. It gets washed monthly, as that is all that is needed.
For stunning and decent durability I am a huge Feynlabs fan, as it brings out the metalflake in the paint and adds some serious depth.
The afterwash spray on products are OK< they do work for a very short time, but are simple to put on. For instance I tested Hydrosilex, and while simple to get on, the shine simply was not there and was pretty much gone after 5-6 washes.Ceramics are flooding the market, so it become a spiritual experience with the old line "My product is the best routine."
Hope that helps a little
Sounds like you have plenty of experience with PPF and ceramic coatings. Can you explain the difference in what they do regarding protection? Why would one be better then the other in certain areas? What is the advantage of one over the other? Do they both have self-healing properties? And finally, if you do PPF does the ceramic coating go over that or vice versa?
Really appreciate your very informative posts in this thread. Thank you for your contributions to it.
Really appreciate your very informative posts in this thread. Thank you for your contributions to it.

Anyway PPF provides a higher level of protection against rocks and other flying debris versus a ceramic coating. The film is much thicker and softer. A rock hitting the PPF will bounce off and leave no mark. That same rock hitting the ceramic, while a very hard surface is not impervious to rocks at high speed and will allow the coating and paint to chip.
Ceramics are great don't get me wrong but they are not anywhere near bulletproof as PPF
All PPF is self healing to a degree. XPEL Ultimate will self heal in the sun. Others need to have heat applied. I had a car come in with a pretty deep gouge in the SunTek film, and had to use a heat gun to get it to almost go away. I would say I got rid of 75% of the gouge. I was concerned going any further would damage the surrounding area, so I stopped. Customer was very impressed, and from 2 feet away you could not see it.
The heat from the gun softens the material and allows it to flow and fill.
To be honest I could rattle on to the point of creating a novel about paint, paint correction and PPF.
I had C Quartz applied to my C7 about 5 years ago and intend to have it also applied to my C8. I am concerned that its effectiveness only lasts about 5 years and if I want to redo must I have the original C Quartz (or any other quartz paint protectant) taken off before having another coat applied and if so how difficult and expensive is it to have this done.
CQuartz can be buffed off with any compound meant for removing heavier swirls/scratches. Cost is relative to your area, but it is paint correction type task. In my discussions with them the 5 year is for a daily driver. If it is a weekend car washed once in awhile your durability will last much longer. If you are not doing it, wash it with a soap meant for Ceramics. Those washes contain a very, very mild acid that help remove contaminants that may end up sticking on the coating Your standard car wash soaps such as the 55 gallon drum of Meguiar's at Costco will over time reduce the self cleaning and shine properties.
In your case I would buy CQuartz ReLoad, which will add a "sacrificial" layer and extend the life of the coating and use it after every wash.
My own personal preference was Polish Angel's High Gloss, but it has been taken off the market. Kamikaze's Overcoat is an equal and in my testing was difficult to tell the difference.
Ceramic Nano 9H did not make my testing realm. I found it difficult to find. One of my criteria was easily found and multiple people, installing the product.
For the best, I like Xpel Ultimate for PPF, it is a bit thicker by a few mils, and the gloss is the best I have seen.
For Ceramic, it depends on what you want, If you are after the lifetime warranty, Ceramic Pro can't be beat. Great shine, great self cleaning, and excellent durability, plus they have saturated the market, so if your detailer disappears, you can go to another Ceramic Pro installer and they will fix the issue under the warranty.
For the DIY Kamikaze Miyabe or ISM..You have a lot of time to work with the product and remove high spots/streaks. My test car has both and they have been holding up very well for the last 4 years. It gets washed monthly, as that is all that is needed.
For stunning and decent durability I am a huge Feynlabs fan, as it brings out the metalflake in the paint and adds some serious depth.
The afterwash spray on products are OK< they do work for a very short time, but are simple to put on. For instance I tested Hydrosilex, and while simple to get on, the shine simply was not there and was pretty much gone after 5-6 washes.Ceramics are flooding the market, so it become a spiritual experience with the old line "My product is the best routine."
Hope that helps a little
For the best, I like Xpel Ultimate for PPF, it is a bit thicker by a few mils, and the gloss is the best I have seen.
For Ceramic, it depends on what you want, If you are after the lifetime warranty, Ceramic Pro can't be beat. Great shine, great self cleaning, and excellent durability, plus they have saturated the market, so if your detailer disappears, you can go to another Ceramic Pro installer and they will fix the issue under the warranty.
For the DIY Kamikaze Miyabe or ISM..You have a lot of time to work with the product and remove high spots/streaks. My test car has both and they have been holding up very well for the last 4 years. It gets washed monthly, as that is all that is needed.
For stunning and decent durability I am a huge Feynlabs fan, as it brings out the metalflake in the paint and adds some serious depth.
The afterwash spray on products are OK< they do work for a very short time, but are simple to put on. For instance I tested Hydrosilex, and while simple to get on, the shine simply was not there and was pretty much gone after 5-6 washes.Ceramics are flooding the market, so it become a spiritual experience with the old line "My product is the best routine."
Hope that helps a little
I have had 3M Pro PPF on both my 911 Turbo and my now C7 3LZ Z06 Vert. I paid $2,400 for my Z06 install...it was done as a pre cut 3M kit (entire front end, mirrors, side sills, and rear fender bulges) installed by a top Pro that 3M uses for their competitions. He told my the new Expel Products are just as good but that the 3M offers the ten year warranty against paint damage (should you get unlucky, which happened to my 550i M Sport a couple years ago, and get hit by a bolt or something substantial). I have had the 3M Pro on my Z06 now for five months and am extremely satisfied and had it on my 911 Turbo for 2 years and it looked perfect when I sold her last year.
Sorry, It is easier to answer the individual posts versus a Multi Quote on this subject.
CQuartz can be buffed off with any compound meant for removing heavier swirls/scratches. Cost is relative to your area, but it is paint correction type task. In my discussions with them the 5 year is for a daily driver. If it is a weekend car washed once in awhile your durability will last much longer. If you are not doing it, wash it with a soap meant for Ceramics. Those washes contain a very, very mild acid that help remove contaminants that may end up sticking on the coating Your standard car wash soaps such as the 55 gallon drum of Meguiar's at Costco will over time reduce the self cleaning and shine properties.
In your case I would buy CQuartz ReLoad, which will add a "sacrificial" layer and extend the life of the coating and use it after every wash.
My own personal preference was Polish Angel's High Gloss, but it has been taken off the market. Kamikaze's Overcoat is an equal and in my testing was difficult to tell the difference.
CQuartz can be buffed off with any compound meant for removing heavier swirls/scratches. Cost is relative to your area, but it is paint correction type task. In my discussions with them the 5 year is for a daily driver. If it is a weekend car washed once in awhile your durability will last much longer. If you are not doing it, wash it with a soap meant for Ceramics. Those washes contain a very, very mild acid that help remove contaminants that may end up sticking on the coating Your standard car wash soaps such as the 55 gallon drum of Meguiar's at Costco will over time reduce the self cleaning and shine properties.
In your case I would buy CQuartz ReLoad, which will add a "sacrificial" layer and extend the life of the coating and use it after every wash.
My own personal preference was Polish Angel's High Gloss, but it has been taken off the market. Kamikaze's Overcoat is an equal and in my testing was difficult to tell the difference.
Just made it thru our first 'season' with a full PPF wrap, can find some thoughts on the overall experience here: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/li...ek-dynoshield/
Most important aspect in my opinion is not so much *which* PPF (as long as you stay with the mainstream players) you choose but rather who you choose to apply it.
Most important aspect in my opinion is not so much *which* PPF (as long as you stay with the mainstream players) you choose but rather who you choose to apply it.
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Last edited by BudgetPlan1; Nov 11, 2019 at 11:36 AM.
Ceramic Pro Gold Package is what I had on my C6 Z06 and it has been great. Needless to say, it's going on my Zeus Bronze C8 that's on order. Price is about $1800, that includes 4 coats of ceramic coating on exterior, glass, wheels----
If I ever get my order placed, C8 will be my first car purchase after decades of leasing. I'd like to know what paint protection product if any future c8 owners plan to use, which areas to cover, and what it might cost.
I was thinking ceramic gray looks good and wont show rock chips as bad, but now I'm leaning toward rapid blue and thinking that protection is a must..that's the problem with such a nice looking car!
I was thinking ceramic gray looks good and wont show rock chips as bad, but now I'm leaning toward rapid blue and thinking that protection is a must..that's the problem with such a nice looking car!
I believe it's still available via Polish Angel website or Esoteric. Might switch next season to PA High Gloss Paste Wax + High Gloss Spritz on the Kami-coated Cayman just for fun. Still like Overcoat as I think it's a bit tougher than the PA Spritzes but that Polish Angel stuff is just so fun to use.
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