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Nov 15, 2019 | 04:59 PM

#21

ZX10turbo

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From: Toronto

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Originally Posted by DSOMrulz

The A/S tires on the C8 are capable of 1G cornering. Not much of a compromise.

As stated that will degrade quickly with tempiture, it will not be nearly as consistent as a summer tire. My SUV will pull .95G under perfect conditions but start adding heat and that changes quickly.

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Originally Posted by DSOMrulz

And given that a large portion of us will never experience any snow.......

Lucky you, that does not mean all season tires perform in winter.

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Originally Posted by DSOMrulz

If 1% of C8 owners spend 20 minutes on a track I'll be surprised. And if you are, you want Cup 2 tires at a minimum.

I would like to think that with all the talks of how great this car is that more than 1% of these cars will see track time. My normal track sessions are 20 minutes. Personally I haven't tracked on PS4's but I did track the MPSS that were factory on my Shelby and they did quite well, the car now wears PS2's so I'm very well aware of what tire I want for track duty.

Nov 15, 2019 | 05:11 PM

#22

RKCRLR

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From: Garden Valley CA

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Originally Posted by ZX10turbo

That is just it. For street driving you never really get a chance to get the summer tires up to full operating temperature.

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Originally Posted by ZX10turbo

Lucky you, that does not mean all season tires perform in winter.

Actually, the A/S tires will perform better than summer tires at cold temperatures. But I agree, once you have snow or ice on the roads then winter tires are best.

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Originally Posted by ZX10turbo

I do a lot of twisty road driving but don't plan to track my car. That I why I would prefer the A/S tires.

Nov 15, 2019 | 06:29 PM

#23

Mike in IA

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Wasn't there some un-bundling (move to stand-alone option status) of NPP and/or Mag ride early in the C7 era?

Nov 15, 2019 | 06:47 PM

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jackfrostpdx

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Originally Posted by Mike in IA

Wasn't there some un-bundling (move to stand-alone option status) of NPP and/or Mag ride early in the C7 era?

Yep, starting in the 2nd model year.

Nov 15, 2019 | 06:55 PM

#25

rcooper

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From: Austin Texas

St. Jude Donor '15

NPP is offered as a stand alone and I would guess that in 2022 Mag Ride will be offered also.
Became a standalone option in the 2016 cars, not the 2nd model year. ( I have a 15, no mag ride offered )

Last edited by rcooper; Nov 15, 2019 at 06:58 PM.

Nov 15, 2019 | 07:02 PM

#26

1983JZR3W

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From: Jacksonville Florida

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Originally Posted by JasonVette

Excuse my ignorance, how is that possible? I thought member date was registering on the forum. The internet wasn't even around then.

It is not possible. On the OP's avatar, it lists him as joining the forum in Dec. 1969. I was just poking fun and seeing if anyone was observant.

Nov 15, 2019 | 07:23 PM

#27

kevinjm

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From: SoCal

OP lives in California. Price difference between the two tire types is about 10%.
Not much to be gained by going A/S, but a few extra smiles to be lost.
And while the OP is likely not pulling 1G turns, I'm sure he mashes the pedal on from a stop plenty of times a week. Worth the extra. .1G.

Last edited by kevinjm; Nov 15, 2019 at 07:24 PM.

Nov 15, 2019 | 07:32 PM

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PHILLIP YOUNG

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From: BUFFALO GROVE ILLINOIS

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Nov 15, 2019 | 07:58 PM

#29

Panfish

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Originally Posted by kevinjm

I don't think I will notice in any reasonable street (non-track) driving. I was reading Car & Driver's review of the AS4 specifically designed for the base C8 which has a target of 1g. Sounds like a great tire matched well for the C8. The summer 4S on the C8 Z51 is planned at 1.03-1.05g and while the AS4 has only made about .95g, that was with un-tweaked early testing which they seemed confident of meeting the 1g goal. For reference, the C7 Summer Z51's make about .96g which is about equal to where the base C8 AS4 is now and the C6 summer tire was less than the newly developed C8 base all-seasons (really 3 as they aren't designed for snow). Additionally, it sounded like the C8 Z51 tires were likely to give up most, if not all of their advantage below 40-50 degrees F, unless heated up.

For most of us non-pro drivers who won't even be near pushing these limits anyway, I don't think it will really matter.

Last edited by Panfish; Nov 15, 2019 at 08:00 PM.

Nov 15, 2019 | 07:59 PM

#30

4thC4at60

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From: Commerce Texas

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Originally Posted by ZX10turbo

Why would anyone want all season tires on a sports car? They are a compromise in good weather and they suck in the winter. If you want to drive it in the winter and you can afford the $60k+ for the car you should be able to buy a proper set of tires for each season.

Some of us actually drive our cars, you know, as in 92,5xx miles on my C7 and more than 800,000 miles total in Vettes since January of 1990.

Nov 15, 2019 | 08:21 PM

#31

montanaman

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From: N/A

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Originally Posted by ZX10turbo

Many Corvette owners would prefer a performance oriented "all season" tire for a variety of reasons over the PS4's which is why Chevrolet listened and makes an all season performance tire now stock on a base Stingray. The sport cup 2's that came on my C7 are in storage because they picked up every pebble on the road and threw it down the rocker panels not to mention the slow speed chatter when turning sharply. Also they are not recommended to be run at temps below 40 degrees so unless you live in Florida or Arizona or So Cal ( God forbid) you'll be needing something else. Many of us don't run these cars at 9/10ths so the Michelin A/S 3 is a much better alternative.

I agree with the OP. They should offer the base Stingray with the mag ride set up and the base tires and not have to have the full Z51 package. They offered the C7 this way ( although I still had to release he super sport tires as I live in Montana. I've had the A/S 3+ (non ZP's) on mine for 4000 miles and could not be happier. Less noise, smoother ride and they do not suck up gravel the way the stock tires did. And changing tires every season is a PITA.

Last edited by montanaman; Nov 15, 2019 at 08:22 PM.

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