2021 C8 availability
Pro
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 573
Likes: 358
Common sense.
GM will not maintain Corvette sales numbers if they raise the base MSRP.
The MSRP was already ridiculously, and unjustifiably, raised over the C7 generation.
GM will not maintain Corvette sales numbers if they raise the base MSRP.
The MSRP was already ridiculously, and unjustifiably, raised over the C7 generation.
Last edited by 2021 C8; Nov 20, 2019 at 06:40 PM.
Race Director
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 16,651
Likes: 7,721
From: NJ
I'm not at all concerned about buying a first year model. My 2014 C7 has been 100% trouble free. Only time it's had anything done is scheduled maintenance (fluid changes, filters, etc.). Automotive design/engineering/build has advanced tremendously. They spend millions of hours on computational analysis, structural analysis, engineering analysis and simulation. Manufacturing tolerances are much tighter. The old "never buy a first year model" is really out of date.
It doesn't take a genius to see that the C8 is going to go through growing pains unlike C5 C6 C7... probably pretty real ones. Especially their DCT (more programming than hardware but who really knows).
If I loved the C8.. which I do not... I would still never have bought it personally as I know I would despise it as each following year it got better and better as it is further developed.
Just watch the difference between 2020 and say 2024.. it will be night and day. And the 2020 will be beat up on resale because each year will be that much better. Way more so than the C7..
Just look at the C6 for example.. 05? Vs 08? Omg.
That's just my personal opinion and expectations given this is their first attempt.
But the make believe "got it alllll right" is laughable. And comparing a 14 C7 to the 2020 is comical to me.
Banned Scam/Spammer
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 4,004
Likes: 3,929
From: Philadelphia PA (Birthplace of the USA, UNESCO World Heritage City)
I will share my perspective. I sold new GM cars for over ten years and I have repeatedly seen what the General does. The reason I signed up wasn't to be the first, that was actually holding me back, what I saw was it's too much car for the $. They wanted a successful launch and once the car hits the streets and the orders flow, somebody at GM says people will pay more for this. I remember when we sold Saabs (under GM) the first all new 900 came out at $22,990. A new 900 Saab for $22,990? in just a few years the same car was $29,000. The biggest driving force for me was I didn't want to wait a couple years and the car maybe being $5-$10k more for the same car. Now some will say that massive discounts will be here in one or two years, I'm not willing to risk that. I was still selling new C5 Corvettes for MSRP almost three years after launch. As much as some have denied it, this car is really different and it will be bringing in new buyers that have never considered the car before.
Pro
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 573
Likes: 358
Race Director
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 12,351
Likes: 14,183
From: Central Illinois
It wasn't the next year, it was slowly fed into it over years. GM was the reason Saab failed, you're right about that. GM has always run the price up when they get a winner on their hands, it's in their DNA.
Instructor
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 181
Likes: 147
From: Santa Clarita CA
I love people like you, so blinded by a car that you have never even driven yet that you call the most successful Corvette generation ever produced a complete failure...
Racer
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 258
Likes: 99
From: Hollywood CA
I would pay $70k-80k MSRP no problem if that was the starting price for a 2020. They could have even charged more with slightly similar results. Only difference would be I would consider slightly less options.
Corvette Stories
The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years
Joe Kucinski
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972
Joe Kucinski
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!
Michael S. Palmer
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!
Joe Kucinski
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter
Joe Kucinski
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)
Joe Kucinski
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!
Brett Foote
Pro
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 573
Likes: 358
a barely funded stop gap for the mid engine car.
Are we in agreement that the C8 is a revolutionary generation and that we both are ordering one?
Or are you just another troll?
Le Mans Master
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 8,243
Likes: 4,617
From: Southwest Florida
Because demand is so high for model year 2020 and I expect the same high demand in 2021 I’m waiting until 2022 to get a C8. The other reason I want to wait is I still love my C7 and want to drive it for two more years by then I will be ready for the awesome C8.
Last edited by Maxie2U; Nov 21, 2019 at 12:39 AM.
Instructor
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 181
Likes: 147
From: Santa Clarita CA
People like me, that owned multiple new C5 and C6 Corvettes, that has tested every C7 model, and demonstrated for myself exactly what it was:
a barely funded stop gap for the mid engine car.
Are we in agreement that the C8 is a revolutionary generation and that we both are ordering one?
Or are you just another troll?
a barely funded stop gap for the mid engine car.
Are we in agreement that the C8 is a revolutionary generation and that we both are ordering one?
Or are you just another troll?
Pro
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 573
Likes: 358
That's good enough for me.
Last edited by 2021 C8; Nov 21, 2019 at 12:47 AM.
Team Owner
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 32,042
Likes: 4,610
Unless you want the base C8, there's no reason to buy one before the discounts off MSRP kick in at the end of year two or so. I've never bought a perfect new car. Close, but never perfect. I guess that's the difference between terminologies. Some, are claiming; "trouble free." What exactly does that mean? All my bought new cars were trouble free, but a long ways from perfect. I think it depends. a lot on when they're asked. Both my new Corvettes were trouble free, as were my new Mercedes Benz', but none were perfect. Would I expect all the new C8s to be trouble free AND perfect? Heavens no.
Banned Scam/Spammer
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 3,166
Likes: 3,781
So they already "ridiculously" raised the MSRP and are still expecting huge sales yet now somehow they have hit the magic number where they absolutely cannot raise the price anymore? That is your common sense? A hike in MSRP is not only common sense, it follows every historical pattern (supply/demand and inflation) and is guaranteed to occur.
Drifting
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,449
Likes: 770
I think it would be very cool if other manufacturers did what Ferrari does. Any car built from January 1, 2020 to December 31, 2020, is a 2020 model. How simple is that? If a Ferrari is ordered on August 15, 2019, and is built on December 30, 2019, it is a 2019 model. If it is built on January 2, 2020, it is a 2020 model.
Navigator
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 9
Likes: 2
From: Long Grove IL
I will do one better. If you look back between the C3 and the C4 they skipped the model year 2003 all together. So given this is a generational shift glad that we are still going to see the 2020 in 2020 and not push to 2021.
Pro
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 573
Likes: 358
So they already "ridiculously" raised the MSRP and are still expecting huge sales yet now somehow they have hit the magic number where they absolutely cannot raise the price anymore? That is your common sense? A hike in MSRP is not only common sense, it follows every historical pattern (supply/demand and inflation) and is guaranteed to occur.
The Corvette Program "works" because of the high volume of sales.
The $60k base MSRP needs to be held in order to keep that volume.
Let GM make the big profits in high dollar options and halo models, like Porsche does.
Or, are you going to argue the complete Dbag position that LESS people should be able to buy Corvettes, instead of more ???
Banned Scam/Spammer
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 3,166
Likes: 3,781
Yup. It's common sense.
The Corvette Program "works" because of the high volume of sales.
The $60k base MSRP needs to be held in order to keep that volume.
Let GM make the big profits in high dollar options and halo models, like Porsche does.
Or, are you going to argue the complete Dbag position that LESS people should be able to buy Corvettes, instead of more ???
The Corvette Program "works" because of the high volume of sales.
The $60k base MSRP needs to be held in order to keep that volume.
Let GM make the big profits in high dollar options and halo models, like Porsche does.
Or, are you going to argue the complete Dbag position that LESS people should be able to buy Corvettes, instead of more ???
Burning Brakes
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 343
I don't get why so many on here are talking about waiting until after the first model year to wait for GM to "get the bugs worked out". Makes no sense. I understand that Corvette, as well as GM reliability in general has been spotty at times. But you can quite clearly see GM has a TON riding on this car. They've been testing it for a very long time (I can't remember the publication, but around the time of the reveal it was reported that GM has about 1m miles racked up on it's C8 test fleet). And initial quality is vastly improved from prior gens. Just look at the paint, panels, interior materials and fit and finish, etc. The best ever on a Corvette. GM is clearly targeting European car buyers and younger people.
It just doesn't seem logical to miss out on owning a C8 for a year or more for an irrational fear. If stuff doesn't work out for some reason, there is always warranty, lemon law and lawyers
It just doesn't seem logical to miss out on owning a C8 for a year or more for an irrational fear. If stuff doesn't work out for some reason, there is always warranty, lemon law and lawyers
Le Mans Master
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,934
Likes: 657
From: Norwalk ohio
2019 Corvette of the Year Winner
St. Jude Donor '15
I'm not at all concerned about buying a first year model. My 2014 C7 has been 100% trouble free. Only time it's had anything done is scheduled maintenance (fluid changes, filters, etc.). Automotive design/engineering/build has advanced tremendously. They spend millions of hours on computational analysis, structural analysis, engineering analysis and simulation. Manufacturing tolerances are much tighter. The old "never buy a first year model" is really out of date.
I am sure they have computational fluid modeling programs for determining the amount of heat that the supercharger would produce and how much could be drawn away. Yet it seemed a complete surprise from the Z06 ownership when cars were overheating and the power was dialed back until the heat contained within limits. They must have run mules on the track and known this issue...didn’t they?
Never buy a first year model is still a very real risk. When the first C8 Z06 comes out with FPC, I will be there in line buying one just like I did with my 2015 C7 Z06. That doesn’t mean I won’t be looking myself in the mirror saying “they got you again!”