Observation on C8 Spring Mountain
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Heel & Toe
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From: Seminole Fl
Observation on C8 Spring Mountain
Having been to Spring Mountain 3 times driving c7 Stingray Coupe, a Z06, and a Grand Sport, I have noticed the c8 hot lap PDR videos have much more tire squeal and Stabilitrak activation than ever occurred in the c7’s at the same speeds. Is this really a better handling car, or a step backwards?
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The Michelin PS 4S squeal a lot more on the track than the Super Sports. The 4S also tend to wear out the outer edge faster than the older Super Sports. On the track, your going to need more than -2.0 degrees of camber up front to keep them from eating the outer edge.
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C8 engineers have said several times they went at this generation of Corvette with a more balanced and practical car in mind. They didn't care as much about breaking records by 1/10th a second as they did about making the car an all around great vehicle. That being said, I think final judgement should be reserved for when you drive the car and get to see for yourself.
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Heel & Toe
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I have been reading reviews on the c8 and watching all videos available. The car was not turning in the video where the driver had an off track experience. I plan on going to Spring Mountain once again to drive a c8 before purchasing one. I wish everyone well with their new cars. Just watch the videos objectively and lighten up. It is not like I said something bad about Trump.
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I have been reading reviews on the c8 and watching all videos available. The car was not turning in the video where the driver had an off track experience. I plan on going to Spring Mountain once again to drive a c8 before purchasing one. I wish everyone well with their new cars. Just watch the videos objectively and lighten up. It is not like I said something bad about Trump.
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Heel & Toe
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That’s the issue... you are inferring a lot. I can find videos of almost any car going off track and it really doesn’t tell me anything. Any car pushed too hard into a corner can go off... you have no idea what his inputs were, tire temps, etc. The driver’s skill and ability play a big role. This doesn’t mean it’s an issue with the car (as you are inferring) and without knowing the details it is simply speculation. It’s also inconsistent with the other track reports from from many reputable sources.
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The fact of the matter is the the C8Z51 is all instrumented tests published to date has significantly less lateral grip than the C7Z51 (despite better tires, wider rear tires, better mag-ride and coilers).
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Baron it’s also saddled with a bit more weight too.
It is more likely the drivers in the videos you are watching aren’t the most experienced. If it’s strictly the Spring Mountain instructors you are watching then different story.
It is more likely the drivers in the videos you are watching aren’t the most experienced. If it’s strictly the Spring Mountain instructors you are watching then different story.
Last edited by Lashedup; Feb 23, 2020 at 10:59 PM.
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That forum editor said it was him and poor braking what were the culprits (in his own words) not the car. Just FYI Anybody can have a lapse in concentration...
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It isn't like Jim Mero didn't warn them when they were co.pating all the ME cars to the FE.. he said no matter what they did they never got around the I understeer they all did it. Now they will have to go through the growing pains everyone else has for decades to get there.
If you took the tech and tire advancements a DCT more power etc into a revised FE car it would be that much better than the outgoing without these excuses.
Now all of a sudden it isn't that they reached the limit of the FE car. Its they wanted a better driver's car lol ok. Double speak.
The market craves an ME to stay relevant. Many of you got what you've always wanted. Sometimes doesn't work out the way you thought amd thw grass isn't always greener..
I hope they this ironed out before they put another 200 plus hp and tq on the chassis..
They didn't care about a .1 of a second??? Have you watched and listened to Jeuchter?
If you took the tech and tire advancements a DCT more power etc into a revised FE car it would be that much better than the outgoing without these excuses.
Now all of a sudden it isn't that they reached the limit of the FE car. Its they wanted a better driver's car lol ok. Double speak.
The market craves an ME to stay relevant. Many of you got what you've always wanted. Sometimes doesn't work out the way you thought amd thw grass isn't always greener..
I hope they this ironed out before they put another 200 plus hp and tq on the chassis..
They didn't care about a .1 of a second??? Have you watched and listened to Jeuchter?
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Here:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articl...y-that-good/2/
Link directly to that particular video:
12.55 is where the get-off is. He has fallen way behind the lead car at this point, and without being able to see and take your cues from the lead car, or having had enough time to memorize the track, it's easy to misjudge a corner. In this case, he got hard on the brakes during the corner, which isn't great for steering control. Would he have made the corner if he hadn't gotten hard on the brakes? I can't tell.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articl...y-that-good/2/
Link directly to that particular video:
12.55 is where the get-off is. He has fallen way behind the lead car at this point, and without being able to see and take your cues from the lead car, or having had enough time to memorize the track, it's easy to misjudge a corner. In this case, he got hard on the brakes during the corner, which isn't great for steering control. Would he have made the corner if he hadn't gotten hard on the brakes? I can't tell.
Last edited by Warp Factor; Feb 24, 2020 at 06:55 AM.