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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 09:33 PM
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Electric plus small block is much faster in every way. Corvettes are always faster - that is their selling point as the C8 demonstrates.
electric plus gas engine will kill resale value and tank sales of that model. the upper end Zora might sell a limited number. but very few will chose the hybrid LT2 over a NA z06. it just won’t be desirable car in any way unless they sell it at a loss. just like the Acura hybrid **** box that didn’t sell. there is no market for fantasy land save the planet green ****
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 09:52 PM
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electric plus gas engine will kill resale value and tank sales of that model. the upper end Zora might sell a limited number. but very few will chose the hybrid LT2 over a NA z06. it just won’t be desirable car in any way unless they sell it at a loss. just like the Acura hybrid **** box that didn’t sell. there is no market for fantasy land save the planet green ****
So you don't want to go faster? Tesla sedans are faster than most supercars and when their sports car hits the market, Corvette is going to need something faster. NA V8s won't even come close.
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 10:06 PM
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So you don't want to go faster? Tesla sedans are faster than most supercars and when their sports car hits the market, Corvette is going to need something faster. NA V8s won't even come close.
I'll switch to EVs as soon as I have to point them by. It will happen, just don't know when.
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 10:37 PM
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Like I said before, a hybrid GS is a stretch, since it's supposed to be a widebody base car; I think a slight tune to the LT-2 and some extras and esthetic alterations are the likely contender. I am curious, given how wide the C8 is already, how wide other iterations will be; you can see the flares on the C8*R are much more extreme, so maybe 1/2 or 1/3rd of that?
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 11:01 PM
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So you don't want to go faster? Tesla sedans are faster than most supercars and when their sports car hits the market, Corvette is going to need something faster. NA V8s won't even come close.
Most supercars are boosted and at the top end they are catching up and flying by a Tesla in the quarter-mile. There are enough drag race videos on YT that have shown this. Not too many cars are considered supercars with NA powered engines under 500 HP.
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Old Apr 24, 2020 | 11:13 PM
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So you don't want to go faster? Tesla sedans are faster than most supercars and when their sports car hits the market, Corvette is going to need something faster. NA V8s won't even come close.
EVs certainly won’t come close to the gas engine manual trans driving experience. fun is only loosely connected to going faster

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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 07:42 AM
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This article does a nice job of summing up the state of the US car companies going forward in this COVID environment. It's not pretty.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/busin...act/index.html
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 07:51 AM
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I'm certainly no expert, but have turned wrenches on Chevy SB's for 40+ years. I don't see how they get 650 HP and 600 lb-ft out of a NA 5.5 liter. Yeah, DOCH will help, but I don't see it making those number s without either a blower or turbos...unless they use nitrous. Or maybe a 8500 rpm redline with a 30-day warranty.
20 years ago Honda got 240HP out of 2 liters with great reliability and a 9000 RPM redline.

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Originally Posted by jimmyb
The C8.R has a 5.5L DOHC FPC engine. SOME version of that engine has to go into a production Corvette. Some years back (C6.R), ALMS wouldn't let Corvette Racing use direct injection because no production Corvette had it. There's no way ALMS would let GM slide on the entire engine.
I believe some C8 is going to have a DOHC, because of IMSA homolagation rules, but I don't think it'll have a FPC; rather a traditional cross-plane. The engine architecture rules just about force the DOHC, but the crank configuration is one area I don't think IMSA cares about.

Wait and see..

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Originally Posted by Sailfun
20 years ago Honda got 240HP out of 2 liters with great reliability and a 9000 RPM redline.
While 650 hp theoretically is possible with a 5.5 L DOHC, but 600 lb-ft on a street motor with emission and fuel efficiency requirements is not. That number is either a typo or someone's pipe dream. 500 lb-ft will be a great accomplishment.
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 03:40 PM
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Fake news,
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Sailfun
20 years ago Honda got 240HP out of 2 liters with great reliability and a 9000 RPM redline.
And the car was as slow as **** under 6000 rpm, ive driven the S2000
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 04:06 PM
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Looks like Hagerty has massaged their made-up numbers even further;


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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 04:58 PM
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And the car was as slow as **** under 6000 rpm, ive driven the S2000
Typical peaky engine.
It was meant to be driven like any race car; 6k to 9k, lap after lap.
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Old Apr 25, 2020 | 08:48 PM
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Looks like Hagerty has massaged their made-up numbers even further;

What a joke. I cant believe people are taking Hagerty serious about this.

They literally just posted in that photo that the Z06 is going to make 600/470... Yet the Grand Sport is going to make 600/500 and have AWD?!? So now the Grand Sport will be faster than the Z06?! Haha. Just further reinforces the point that there is no other way other than to have twin turbo's on the Z06.

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