Paint issue
Melting Slicks
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From: Massachusetts
Just my 2 cents again 
wonder if jams are getting prepped correctly - does seem to appear the paint jams may not be getting loving - probably not getting a good enough prep on the tough to get at areas (jams) you know what I mean
Just take a look at under the C7 hood what a joke
While I'm at it look at GM Truck in silver - paint does not do this - paint lay down (metallic) looks superb and the paint is not falling off - also silver base on the C7 on the other hand was a joke
wonder if jams are getting prepped correctly - does seem to appear the paint jams may not be getting loving - probably not getting a good enough prep on the tough to get at areas (jams) you know what I meanJust take a look at under the C7 hood what a joke
While I'm at it look at GM Truck in silver - paint does not do this - paint lay down (metallic) looks superb and the paint is not falling off - also silver base on the C7 on the other hand was a joke
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Many people, I mean MANY if not all will never experience the performance delta between a Chevrolet Corvette being slightly less powerful for the purposes of being a higher quality and another super car.
These cars just fall apart from a body panel/fitment/paint perspective as well as interior squeaks, rattles, and other annoying buzzing noises.
The problem with Corvette fit and finish be it the panel gaps or be it the paint issues in the corners or be it the interior noises comes from one and one simple fact (even the QC issues all result from the same issue):
- The multi panel, modular, body on frame architecture which means you have an aluminum base, and some molded plastic semi body on it, which then has lots of individual plastic panels being attached using dozens if not hundreds of torx bolts. This architecture is RECIPE FOR DISASTER. This is the problem of Corvette.
There is no way to QC these cars. I ask you watch how these cars are built. This car is essentially built like a wooden house. The concrete foundation, brick walls, then wood frame, then siding, then roof. When you build a sports car like this, it is likely that something will go wrong. It is likely the car will rattle.
Compare this to say a Porsche or Audi or BMW or even Mustang, they are all aluminum welded one big body. Their A/B/C pillar is one piece all welded to the undercarriage. This removes so much QC issues before they happen.
These cars just fall apart from a body panel/fitment/paint perspective as well as interior squeaks, rattles, and other annoying buzzing noises.
The problem with Corvette fit and finish be it the panel gaps or be it the paint issues in the corners or be it the interior noises comes from one and one simple fact (even the QC issues all result from the same issue):
- The multi panel, modular, body on frame architecture which means you have an aluminum base, and some molded plastic semi body on it, which then has lots of individual plastic panels being attached using dozens if not hundreds of torx bolts. This architecture is RECIPE FOR DISASTER. This is the problem of Corvette.
There is no way to QC these cars. I ask you watch how these cars are built. This car is essentially built like a wooden house. The concrete foundation, brick walls, then wood frame, then siding, then roof. When you build a sports car like this, it is likely that something will go wrong. It is likely the car will rattle.
Compare this to say a Porsche or Audi or BMW or even Mustang, they are all aluminum welded one big body. Their A/B/C pillar is one piece all welded to the undercarriage. This removes so much QC issues before they happen.
They know nothing about building cars, but you sure do.
Racer
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It has nothing to do with what GM knows vs what the poster you are referring to does. He's pointing out how they took a shortcut on the car which is what is leading to some of the issues. Just because he doesn't work at GM doesn't mean he doesn't know the inter workings of how a car is built.
Last edited by blb078; Apr 28, 2020 at 06:46 PM.
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It has nothing to do with what GM knows vs what the poster you are referring to does. He's pointing out how they took a shortcut on the car which is what is leading to some of the issues. Just because he doesn't work at GM doesn't mean he doesn't know the inter workings of how a car is built.
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Drifting
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Many people, I mean MANY if not all will never experience the performance delta between a Chevrolet Corvette being slightly less powerful for the purposes of being a higher quality and another super car.
These cars just fall apart from a body panel/fitment/paint perspective as well as interior squeaks, rattles, and other annoying buzzing noises.
The problem with Corvette fit and finish be it the panel gaps or be it the paint issues in the corners or be it the interior noises comes from one and one simple fact (even the QC issues all result from the same issue):
- The multi panel, modular, body on frame architecture which means you have an aluminum base, and some molded plastic semi body on it, which then has lots of individual plastic panels being attached using dozens if not hundreds of torx bolts. This architecture is RECIPE FOR DISASTER. This is the problem of Corvette.
There is no way to QC these cars. I ask you watch how these cars are built. This car is essentially built like a wooden house. The concrete foundation, brick walls, then wood frame, then siding, then roof. When you build a sports car like this, it is likely that something will go wrong. It is likely the car will rattle.
Compare this to say a Porsche or Audi or BMW or even Mustang, they are all aluminum welded one big body. Their A/B/C pillar is one piece all welded to the undercarriage. This removes so much QC issues before they happen.
These cars just fall apart from a body panel/fitment/paint perspective as well as interior squeaks, rattles, and other annoying buzzing noises.
The problem with Corvette fit and finish be it the panel gaps or be it the paint issues in the corners or be it the interior noises comes from one and one simple fact (even the QC issues all result from the same issue):
- The multi panel, modular, body on frame architecture which means you have an aluminum base, and some molded plastic semi body on it, which then has lots of individual plastic panels being attached using dozens if not hundreds of torx bolts. This architecture is RECIPE FOR DISASTER. This is the problem of Corvette.
There is no way to QC these cars. I ask you watch how these cars are built. This car is essentially built like a wooden house. The concrete foundation, brick walls, then wood frame, then siding, then roof. When you build a sports car like this, it is likely that something will go wrong. It is likely the car will rattle.
Compare this to say a Porsche or Audi or BMW or even Mustang, they are all aluminum welded one big body. Their A/B/C pillar is one piece all welded to the undercarriage. This removes so much QC issues before they happen.
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Melting Slicks
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From: Thomas Texas
This. I’ve owned a lot of GM products and none of them have had the panel alignment and paint issues I see on Corvette forums. No doubt GM could fix these problems but since GM is run by bean counters it will never happen. Bean counters care only about short terprofits and have no pride in the products. They’re trained to think of widgets, and widgets are widgets and nothing more.
Blaming the Accountant for production mistakes is like blaming the score keeper for why the Yankees lost the World Series.
Maybe your aren’t aware, automobile companies that are not profitable eventually go bankrupt. Engineers and operators managers make the bad choices.
Melting Slicks
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I warned everyone about **** poor quality on first year cars. Everyone puts Tadge on a pedestal however his abilities seem less than desirable on both the C7 and C8. Maybe this is why Mary Barra sent the C8 engineers to Electric hell.
Le Mans Master
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IMHO catching paint issues and correcting them are the responsibility of the QC department at BG. No car should leave the assembly plant with paint issues. The defects caused by poor body panel fit are more difficult as they often occur during transportation and after delivery. It's sad that GM can't fix this ongoing issue with their "halo" vehicle.
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IMHO catching paint issues and correcting them are the responsibility of the QC department at BG. No car should leave the assembly plant with paint issues. The defects caused by poor body panel fit are more difficult as they often occur during transportation and after delivery. It's sad that GM can't fix this ongoing issue with their "halo" vehicle.
It's a Chevy and they have an acceptable target... "good enough, most of the time".
Race Director
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Tadge designs and engineers the car... whole different team is responsible for putting it together and procurement of the parts.
Disagree here... the whole reason they moved to the skillet system was so they'd be assembling the body on a loaded chassis.
It's a Chevy and they have an acceptable target... "good enough, most of the time".
Disagree here... the whole reason they moved to the skillet system was so they'd be assembling the body on a loaded chassis.
It's a Chevy and they have an acceptable target... "good enough, most of the time".
For Corvettes? Look at the performance for the buck? Nothing comes close. And they sell every one they make. Always have.. probably always will. I am as guilty as the next. I buy them. I also buy GM. When wife's lease goes back I am going to another mfr and try one out. Maybe I need a reality check that the grass isn't greener? Or I'll be kicking myself for not leaving sooner.
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Good (enough) Motors
For Corvettes? Look at the performance for the buck? Nothing comes close. And they sell every one they make. Always have.. probably always will. I am as guilty as the next. I buy them. I also buy GM. When wife's lease goes back I am going to another mfr and try one out. Maybe I need a reality check that the grass isn't greener? Or I'll be kicking myself for not leaving sooner.
For Corvettes? Look at the performance for the buck? Nothing comes close. And they sell every one they make. Always have.. probably always will. I am as guilty as the next. I buy them. I also buy GM. When wife's lease goes back I am going to another mfr and try one out. Maybe I need a reality check that the grass isn't greener? Or I'll be kicking myself for not leaving sooner.
My wife drives Mercedes and won't consider anything else. The service experience is excellent and they're very very very safe. My mother was rear-ended while stopped with a 50 mph speed delta in her 2008 CLS550 and walked away. Another friend rolled his GLS on the highway (not his fault) and whole family walked away.
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Agree... irks the hell out of me, but why make them better when they sell all of them already? From a business stand-point it's a waste of money.
My wife drives Mercedes and won't consider anything else. The service experience is excellent and they're very very very safe. My mother was rear-ended while stopped with a 50 mph speed delta in her 2008 CLS550 and walked away. Another friend rolled his GLS on the highway (not his fault) and whole family walked away.
My wife drives Mercedes and won't consider anything else. The service experience is excellent and they're very very very safe. My mother was rear-ended while stopped with a 50 mph speed delta in her 2008 CLS550 and walked away. Another friend rolled his GLS on the highway (not his fault) and whole family walked away.
I believe that once you're spending more than $60k on a vehicle, you should receive maintenance and a loaner vehicle. Rather annoying to be hit up for a maintenance plan. Also, the warranties on the foreign cars tend to be longer, at 5yrs versus 3 or 2 yrs with others. Just my thoughts.
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The service is one of the main reasons my wife has stayed away from buying American and why I have typically gotten annoyed. It's the service. Yes, you might pay a little more but we've had BMW, Ford, Audi, Infiniti, Jaguar, GM, GMC, Jeep and Volkswagen. The Ford, GMC & Jeep, we never got loaner vehicles unless unless it was a big recall issue that needed time, If so, you were sent to Enterprise to get a crap car. With Jag, BMW, Audi & Infiniti, they'd have a loaner car (nice loaners, too) ready and you drive off. No need to miss work. Just hand them yours, take theirs and come back when it's done. Also, most of them include maintenance (except Audi).
I believe that once you're spending more than $60k on a vehicle, you should receive maintenance and a loaner vehicle. Rather annoying to be hit up for a maintenance plan. Also, the warranties on the foreign cars tend to be longer, at 5yrs versus 3 or 2 yrs with others. Just my thoughts.
I believe that once you're spending more than $60k on a vehicle, you should receive maintenance and a loaner vehicle. Rather annoying to be hit up for a maintenance plan. Also, the warranties on the foreign cars tend to be longer, at 5yrs versus 3 or 2 yrs with others. Just my thoughts.
Melting Slicks
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Tadge designs and engineers the car... whole different team is responsible for putting it together and procurement of the parts.
Disagree here... the whole reason they moved to the skillet system was so they'd be assembling the body on a loaded chassis.
It's a Chevy and they have an acceptable target... "good enough, most of the time".
Disagree here... the whole reason they moved to the skillet system was so they'd be assembling the body on a loaded chassis.
It's a Chevy and they have an acceptable target... "good enough, most of the time".