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Old May 9, 2020 | 07:08 PM
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Assuming there is a minor backlog in those already assembled and available for shipping and the official restart of the production line is going to be Tuesday, 5/26 (Monday Memorial Day), Questions:
  1. What day will backlog start to ship out?
  2. How long will QC take for this round of VINs to proceed through QC?
  3. What is anticipated transit times with Jack Cooper via Truck Carrier (not Rail) to local dealerships along the East Coast?

Lots of assumptions I know, but looking for those that have some experience/knowledge to provide best GUESSES enabling estimates for personal planning. I'm guessing 50/day on/off production line during startup for initial 2-4 weeks.
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Old May 9, 2020 | 07:20 PM
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If there is no QC hold then from my experience in 2014 my 2015 C7 was built on October 27th and delivered to the dealer in RI on November 5th. If the line ramps up slowly they will be making fewer vehicles than when it was shut down but now that the lot is down to the last 80 cars I assume the vehicles getting built will be shipped out within a week or so. I have a ZBM that was at 3300 so I expect that it will be built in the first 2-3 weeks as they ramp up so I just might get it in June.

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I was "told" QC at the beginning was apx 3-4 weeks and then made its way down to normal 1-2 weeks - again I was told. Even with the 1 week training restart before the line actually starts, I was wondering if they might have a 2-4 week QC turn around before release to ship?
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Old May 9, 2020 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by C8J
Assuming there is a minor backlog in those already assembled and available for shipping and the official restart of the production line is going to be Tuesday, 5/26 (Monday Memorial Day), Questions:
  1. What day will backlog start to ship out?
  2. How long will QC take for this round of VINs to proceed through QC?
  3. What is anticipated transit times with Jack Cooper via Truck Carrier (not Rail) to local dealerships along the East Coast?

Lots of assumptions I know, but looking for those that have some experience/knowledge to provide best GUESSES enabling estimates for personal planning. I'm guessing 50/day on/off production line during startup for initial 2-4 weeks.

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Old May 9, 2020 | 07:51 PM
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There is no "normal 1-2 week QC hold". QC holds are done for new model startup. Normally, cars are released to Jack Cooper shortly after they roll off the line. It's possible they could do another QC hold due to the 8 week shutdown. Who knows? Trucks will start rolling when they have a full load heading to a geographic location (single large dealer or a reasonable route of multiple dealers). Jack Cooper has 10 days to get a car on its way once Chevy releases it to shipping. BTW, some NE dealers are shipped by rail.
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Old May 9, 2020 | 07:59 PM
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Thanks, I was initially told that after the initial startup that they would have a standard longer QC for the 2020MY. That eliminates 2 weeks off my planning. I had 4-11 days in my "planing" for Cooper.
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Old May 9, 2020 | 08:01 PM
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Mine was a very early car and was held for a little over a month.

I don't think there is any way of knowing how long the "startup" cars will be held, but one would think it would be less than that.

Cooper makes up loads of 10 cars to make an economic trip to a convenient area. So you're probably OK there. But no guarantees.

Once a car is on the truck it's only 1-2 days to an Eastern destination (Southern Ontario in my case).

If there is no hold then it's possible to have a car within a week of it's leaving the line.

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Old May 9, 2020 | 08:40 PM
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Thanks, you probably reduced my theoretical wait time by another week.
It appears your engine made a round trip.
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Why would they have another quality control. It will be the same car that pass the previous quality control.
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Old May 9, 2020 | 09:48 PM
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I think quality Control means different things to a specific vehicle...
Long time ago when BG first opened, I went through the plant a few times.
Some of the things on the Assembly line looked confusing to me as the cars moved along.
I saw cars with different quarter panels, odd colored seats, strange wheel combinations, and they just moved on down the line.
One of the guides said it happens when something does not get on the line where it is supposed to be.
They just assemble the car with the odd part and it goes to a hold area until the correct part is found and then installed on the car.
They don't want to hold up production so it just moves on.
I remember seeing a overhead air wrench being passed over a car and it fell and damaged the windshield.
Made a large spider web.
A buzzer sounded and the car continued on down the line, parts being put on as it continued on.
After a while, three guys came running down the line to the damaged car, two carrying a new windshield,one put his shoulder to the windshield and forced it out,
and removed it from the car and the other two guys applied the sealant and replaced the damaged windshield, the line not stopping at all !

Not saying it still happens today, maybe better computer aided supply lines, but I could see a car not having the correct options and then waiting in the lot until the correct part is supplied by the vendor.
Just my explanation of maybe one reason why some cars have not shipped yet.

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It was my understanding that cars that are on quality hold should not be released to JCT by the plant. So you would not expect them to show up on the palsapp.com site. But one guy posted that his car is has been in the lot for well over a month and was told it’s on quality hold yet it shows “pending” on palsapp.com . It would seem odd for Jack Cooper have a car in their system that is not released to ship.
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
There is no "normal 1-2 week QC hold". QC holds are done for new model startup. Normally, cars are released to Jack Cooper shortly after they roll off the line. It's possible they could do another QC hold due to the 8 week shutdown. Who knows? Trucks will start rolling when they have a full load heading to a geographic location (single large dealer or a reasonable route of multiple dealers). Jack Cooper has 10 days to get a car on its way once Chevy releases it to shipping. BTW, some NE dealers are shipped by rail.
Correct, once the initial QC hold ends, cars are usually held for a day or two at most. There are, on rare occasions, cars that are finished, but a non-essential part may have not yet arrived, so they will hold the car until it arrives and can be installed. Other than that, they try to get them released for shipping as quickly as possible.
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Old May 10, 2020 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldRose85
I think quality Control means different things to a specific vehicle...
Long time ago when BG first opened, I went through the plant a few times.
Some of the things on the Assembly line looked confusing to me as the cars moved along.
I saw cars with different quarter panels, odd colored seats, strange wheel combinations, and they just moved on down the line.
One of the guides said it happens when something does not get on the line where it is supposed to be.
They just assemble the car with the odd part and it goes to a hold area until the correct part is found and then installed on the car.
They don't want to hold up production so it just moves on.
I remember seeing a overhead air wrench being passed over a car and it fell and damaged the windshield.
Made a large spider web.
A buzzer sounded and the car continued on down the line, parts being put on as it continued on.
After a while, three guys came running down the line to the damaged car, two carrying a new windshield,one put his shoulder to the windshield and forced it out,
and removed it from the car and the other two guys applied the sealant and replaced the damaged windshield, the line not stopping at all !

Not saying it still happens today, maybe better computer aided supply lines, but I could see a car not having the correct options and then waiting in the lot until the correct part is supplied by the vendor.
Just my explanation of maybe one reason why some cars have not shipped yet.
This makes a lot more sense.
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Old May 10, 2020 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by the lark
This makes a lot more sense.
ya, back in the 80's
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Old May 10, 2020 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by C8J
Thanks, you probably reduced my theoretical wait time by another week.
It appears your engine made a round trip.
Corvette engines used to be made in the St Catharines, ON plant, but not for a while now. I think the C6's were made there.

Currently the engines are built in Tonawanda NY.
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Originally Posted by ZL-1
It was my understanding that cars that are on quality hold should not be released to JCT by the plant. So you would not expect them to show up on the palsapp.com site. But one guy posted that his car is has been in the lot for well over a month and was told it’s on quality hold yet it shows “pending” on palsapp.com . It would seem odd for Jack Cooper have a car in their system that is not released to ship.
yup that’s me. Vin 1087 built feb 20th, never shipped still at BG. concierge says it’s not on hold any longer but I talked to JC after that and they told me it’s not been released to them yet??? Oh well, a few more good days in the stock market and I will just buy a used Mclaren 650s! Lol c’mon Chevy send me my vette!

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Originally Posted by C8Jake
ya, back in the 80's
No it makes sense now. With all the supply chain issues, because of the shut down.
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The way Bowling Green Assembly currently works is ff a car being built has any known issues, it gets pulled off at the end of the line and sent to the dedicated re-work area in the plant.
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Old May 10, 2020 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
The way Bowling Green Assembly currently works is ff a car being built has any known issues, it gets pulled off at the end of the line and sent to the dedicated re-work area in the plant.
That makes, sense.
But why are there all those cars sitting in the parking lot for months.
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Because there is no full load to anyplace. There's maybe 75 cars in the parking lot that are likely spread across the country. Another possibility is cars with stripes. They are put on in a separate area outside the plant.Some of those cars may be waiting for stripes.
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