Hidden functionality in 1LT?
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Hidden functionality in 1LT?
In the past I've had Porsche's with functionality built into them that was turned off unless you bought certain upgrades. I have a basic 1LT on order and am curious if this will have applications installed but turned off that are turned on in 2LT's and, if so, will there be a way to access these?
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Decades ago, a company I work for a company that purchased a very large backup power supply. When I investigated upgrading it by nearly double from 6 to 10 (yes 2/3), I was informed of the upgrade price (initial purchase price for the 6 was $6K, 10 was $8K ), it was going to cost $2,500.
Then I asked about the switch out / upgrade logistics ( large apx 4 foot x 2 foot x 4 foot and 500-1,000 pounds), I was informed no need to worry, all they do is change a software setting and I will have the 10K unit.
All this says is that everyone who purchased the 6K unit overpaid because the production cost of a 10K unit is already in the cost of the 6K unit. No big deal when dealing with simple online or software features (only software development cost), but considerable when dealing with hardware.
Then I asked about the switch out / upgrade logistics ( large apx 4 foot x 2 foot x 4 foot and 500-1,000 pounds), I was informed no need to worry, all they do is change a software setting and I will have the 10K unit.
All this says is that everyone who purchased the 6K unit overpaid because the production cost of a 10K unit is already in the cost of the 6K unit. No big deal when dealing with simple online or software features (only software development cost), but considerable when dealing with hardware.
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In the Tesla, all vehicles get the long range battery because it was cheaper to only source and install one battery.. But you only get the standard range unless you pay more money to software unlock the long range battery capacity. I hear you can now pay a weekly or monthly fee if you need the longer range for a trip, then go back to standard range.
Perhaps you can give GM more money and cameras will pop out?
Perhaps you can give GM more money and cameras will pop out?
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In the past I've had Porsche's with functionality built into them that was turned off unless you bought certain upgrades. I have a basic 1LT on order and am curious if this will have applications installed but turned off that are turned on in 2LT's and, if so, will there be a way to access these?
Looks to me like every difference has a hardware component, that won't be present in a 1LT'
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In the Tesla, all vehicles get the long range battery because it was cheaper to only source and install one battery.. But you only get the standard range unless you pay more money to software unlock the long range battery capacity. I hear you can now pay a weekly or monthly fee if you need the longer range for a trip, then go back to standard range.
Perhaps you can give GM more money and cameras will pop out?
Perhaps you can give GM more money and cameras will pop out?
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2LT, for example
Includes everything in 1LT, plus:
Other items like front lift, performance exhaust, Z51 etc., feature different or additional parts than the base car.
Includes everything in 1LT, plus:
- Head-Up Display No hud projector
- Power Lumbar and Wing Adjustment Possibly
- Wireless Phone Charging† No wireless charger
- Heated and Vented Seats Possibly, but no button to activate
- Heated Steering Wheel Possibly, but no button to activate
- Bose Performance Series 14-Speaker Audio System Only 10 speakers
- Navigation with Traffic† Possibly
- Performance Data Recorder No front cameras
- SiriusXM Satellite Radio®† with 1-year Subscription Sure but you have to pay for it
- Universal Home Remote Sun Visor Different visor
- Power-Folding Mirrors Possibly, but no button to activate
- Rear Camera Mirror† – Coupe Different mirror, no mirror camera
- Memory Package Possibly
- Curb View Camera† No front cameras
- Side Blind Zone Alert† Possibly, but I doubt because of added cost
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert† Possibly, but I doubt because of added cost
- Advanced Theft-Deterrent System Possibly
- Parcel Nets No parcel nets
Other items like front lift, performance exhaust, Z51 etc., feature different or additional parts than the base car.
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2LT, for example
Includes everything in 1LT, plus:
I wouldn't be shocked if there were heating elements in all of the seats, wheels, etc., but I doubt it. I haven't handled the mirrors enough to know if there are unused motors in there, but I also doubt it. Also doubt there is unused radar blind zone cross traffic capability.
Other items like front lift, performance exhaust, Z51 etc., feature different or additional parts than the base car.
Includes everything in 1LT, plus:
- Head-Up Display No hud projector
- Power Lumbar and Wing Adjustment Possibly (NO Way, No air bladders in cheap seat that are used.)
- Wireless Phone Charging† No wireless charger
- Heated and Vented Seats Possibly, but no button to activate (Forget the button, there are NO fans or heating elements in cheap seats.)
- Heated Steering Wheel Possibly, but no button to activate (Highly doubt it, need more than buttons!)
- Bose Performance Series 14-Speaker Audio System Only 10 speakers
- Navigation with Traffic† Possibly (NO WAY!)
- Performance Data Recorder No front cameras (Takes more than a camera, has to be integrated with speed, lateral "g" sensors etc.)
- SiriusXM Satellite Radio®† with 1-year Subscription Sure but you have to pay for it
- Universal Home Remote Sun Visor Different visor
- Power-Folding Mirrors Possibly, but no button to activate (NO electric motor powering the action, MUCH more than needing a button.)
- Rear Camera Mirror† – Coupe Different mirror, no mirror camera
- Memory Package Possibly (Forget it )
- Curb View Camera† No front cameras
- Side Blind Zone Alert† Possibly, but I doubt because of added cost (Not Possible)
- Rear Cross Traffic Alert† Possibly, but I doubt because of added cost (Not Possible)
- Advanced Theft-Deterrent System Possibly (Doubt it as it needs interior sensor to detect movement as when my detector drops from suction cup and sets it off!)
- Parcel Nets No parcel nets (Now Those you could add!)
I wouldn't be shocked if there were heating elements in all of the seats, wheels, etc., but I doubt it. I haven't handled the mirrors enough to know if there are unused motors in there, but I also doubt it. Also doubt there is unused radar blind zone cross traffic capability.
Other items like front lift, performance exhaust, Z51 etc., feature different or additional parts than the base car.
Put my thoughts on "possible" in above post.
Last edited by JerryU; May 30, 2020 at 02:40 AM.
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Let's think about optional cameras, for example.....my guess is a lot of the the physical stuff is there... brackets, wiring, connectors, relay blocks, etc.... its just blocked off. In theory, you could buy that stuff from parts and hook it up.... but then you'd have to activate the software to make it work.... MFGs are pretty paranoid about hacking these days, I doubt Joe Geek in his garage can do this.... and certainly, if you hack up the software in your new C8, it won't be hard for the diagnostic software to detect it...
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^^^
They use a buss structure so in fact wiring may not be the issue. But there are blanks where relays are located and as you note, no way are they going to give you the software to make whatever work. As I and others have said doubt there is anything that might be useful than the buttons on the drivers visor which you can replace with one from a 2LT or 3LT.
They use a buss structure so in fact wiring may not be the issue. But there are blanks where relays are located and as you note, no way are they going to give you the software to make whatever work. As I and others have said doubt there is anything that might be useful than the buttons on the drivers visor which you can replace with one from a 2LT or 3LT.
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Interesting on my wife’s ‘16 Wrangler the upgraded factory Nav head unit was capable of running a back-up camera as well as handful of other features - all turned off. When I added a back-up camera I had to take it in to the dealer so they could activate the feature & I asked them to just turn all the locked features on while I was there to which they replied I would have to pay for each one to be unlocked individually. No thanks
Our ‘16 Outlander has a row a blank buttons to the left of the steering wheel & I took the panel off one day to find they all had a wire harness hooked up & the fuse panel listed features that were not even available until the ‘18 model year (birds eye camera, adaptive cruise control & heated steering wheel). I wonder if they were available in the Japanese/Euro cars & they just wired all cars?
Our ‘16 Outlander has a row a blank buttons to the left of the steering wheel & I took the panel off one day to find they all had a wire harness hooked up & the fuse panel listed features that were not even available until the ‘18 model year (birds eye camera, adaptive cruise control & heated steering wheel). I wonder if they were available in the Japanese/Euro cars & they just wired all cars?
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Unless you've torn into the car I don't think you can definitively make most of those statements.
The GT1 "cheap" seats you talk about in the 1LT are the same seats in the 2LT, for example. And 2LT comes standard with heat, adjustable lumbar, memory etc. Base car has G sensors, speed sensors, e.g. Base car has nav if you pay subscription for it. Etc etc.
Again I doubt there is much hidden functionality like OP is postulating but it sounds like you are just speculating. However feel free to prove me wrong.
The GT1 "cheap" seats you talk about in the 1LT are the same seats in the 2LT, for example. And 2LT comes standard with heat, adjustable lumbar, memory etc. Base car has G sensors, speed sensors, e.g. Base car has nav if you pay subscription for it. Etc etc.
Again I doubt there is much hidden functionality like OP is postulating but it sounds like you are just speculating. However feel free to prove me wrong.
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^^^
Yep speculating by deduction. Had an early 2014 Z51, built September 2013. Sold it when I bought my current 2017 Grand Sport. That's going on 7 years. Have a number of mods myself and on the Forum quite a bit and no one has posted any of this "hidden suff!" Would have thought if there was any there someone would have found it!
Good point on the seats. Don't know the logistics but if typical automotive, the seat supplier (assume it's still Lear) would be told "Deliver (with the number of seats needed for the day,) a GT1 seat for 1LT trim in xyz color two days from now between 1 and 2 PM." GM keeps a minimum inventory operating in a Just-In-Time fashion. (Note they would be given longer time frame forecasts.) Suppliers often own or rent warehouse space close to the plant. GM is paying for a GT1 with only the 1LT features. Guess Lear could stock all GT1 seats with fans, air pumps for bladders, and heating elements if cost effective for them to reduce their inventory. They could add the "proper Button side panel" before shipping. But doubt it. May also be the vendor for interior kits who gets that delivery request and includes seats they get from Lear. Can guarantee all suppliers operate on slim margins and save every penny they can!
Yep speculating by deduction. Had an early 2014 Z51, built September 2013. Sold it when I bought my current 2017 Grand Sport. That's going on 7 years. Have a number of mods myself and on the Forum quite a bit and no one has posted any of this "hidden suff!" Would have thought if there was any there someone would have found it!
Good point on the seats. Don't know the logistics but if typical automotive, the seat supplier (assume it's still Lear) would be told "Deliver (with the number of seats needed for the day,) a GT1 seat for 1LT trim in xyz color two days from now between 1 and 2 PM." GM keeps a minimum inventory operating in a Just-In-Time fashion. (Note they would be given longer time frame forecasts.) Suppliers often own or rent warehouse space close to the plant. GM is paying for a GT1 with only the 1LT features. Guess Lear could stock all GT1 seats with fans, air pumps for bladders, and heating elements if cost effective for them to reduce their inventory. They could add the "proper Button side panel" before shipping. But doubt it. May also be the vendor for interior kits who gets that delivery request and includes seats they get from Lear. Can guarantee all suppliers operate on slim margins and save every penny they can!
Last edited by JerryU; May 30, 2020 at 02:36 AM.