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I hope you didn’t cave to their unethical strategy. What dealer was this?
I will tell you after I get the car so they don't screw around with it. And yes I did as I have 9 months into the car and the $2700 was total BS but I want a car now and not 2 years from now. But maybe when I out them it will give a few people a pause when they think of ordering a car from this dealership.
Last edited by 90sundevil; Jul 26, 2020 at 11:16 AM.
Op try and go in there and say politely this isn’t happening. Go up the chain. If that doesn’t work do not give them permission to sell your build. Immediately contact corporate. If the bs charges aren’t in your contract they can’t just add them in. Be like my dealer saying screw it going to add 5k for add ons or screw it let’s make it 10k. You can win this
I made sure to get the price in writing before I sent in my deposit. While my salesperson has been there 12 years, better get it in writing.
Michael: The MSRP is including destination charge, but not taxes, title, and license fees.
Me: The sales price would be at MSRP, plus destination, and usual and customary documentation and taxes?
There is no such thing as "usual and customary documentation" fees. Unless it's tax and title fees everything is negotiable between you and the dealer. And before anyone jumps in I'll say that in states where the dealer "has to" charge everyone the same Doc fee nothing says he can't discount the doc fee out of the MSRP, like my dealer did.
As far as fees and premiums go.... I basically told my dealer I wanted a 2021 if my 2020 was going to be built later than July 2020. I'm pretty sure he understands that I won't put up with any BS on delivery in 2021 and if any BS does happen at the last minute I'll politely tell him it's a no go and walk out. I have the money which means I have the power to buy or walk. In other words.... NEVER GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT AT ANY COST!
Last edited by tdrake2020; Jul 26, 2020 at 11:58 AM.
I could post the 9 pages of the attached build with the price but decided to mention it in my post, "GM build with the price of the car". Now if you have ordered a car then you went thought the build online and sent it to your dealer so they knew what options were wanted. Note the bottom of the page is when I email them the GM build.
Those pages are not referenced in the note, so there is no proof that they are part of the "contract". They have not agreed in writing to sell to you at MSRP and certainly no "out the door" price. Sorry you picked a crappy dealer to work with. I hope they go out of business when buyers wake up to the options they have available to them to buy anywhere.
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Originally Posted by bzagorski
MikeyTX 550 + hp modified 2019 Mustang California Special Soft Top 6 Speed Manual. Because real convertibles are soft tops ...........
MikeyTX I have a Soft Top. I love my car do not like the Soft Top. One reason is on my car to replace it , it costs $10,000.00. Second the window get scratches and I can not seem to remove them. Third Keeping the top looking good is a lot of work. With that being said I will never sell the car I am talking about. Overall it puts a big smile on my face.
I am with you a 100% on the 6 speed manual. Since I do not spend much time on the track. I am not worried about shifting the fastest. Wish the C-8 had a manual option. Even though, very much looking forward to mine coming in. Feb 18 went 3000. No updates.
My '19 Race Red California Special 6spd stays garaged except for weekends and cross country trips. That is what I bought it for. The built '19 Bullitt is my dd. As with many others on the board, if and when GM gets its head screwed back on and gives those of us that enjoy a manual one, I'll buy another Corvette. I have a Ford Performance blower waiting to be installed in FL at Steeda. Looking forward to mid fall for the drive from TX.
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There is no such thing as "usual and customary documentation" fees. Unless it's tax and title fees everything is negotiable between you and the dealer. And before anyone jumps in I'll say that in states where the dealer "has to" charge everyone the same Doc fee nothing says he can't discount the doc fee out of the MSRP, like my dealer did.
As far as fees and premiums go.... I basically told my dealer I wanted a 2021 if my 2020 was going to be built later than July 2020. I'm pretty sure he understands that I won't put up with any BS on delivery in 2021 and if any BS does happen at the last minute I'll politely tell him it's a no go and walk out. I have the money which means I have the power to buy or walk. In other words.... NEVER GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT AT ANY COST!
I have bought from them before, ~$150 doc fee. Do you see cup holders and poly razzmatazz wax? So you will walk out, order a 2021 behind all the 1100 MY backlog and get a car next summer or fall?
There will be plenty of low-mileage CPO cars for sale by next spring/summer and possibly even this winter. That's actually a pretty great way to buy one with the extra warranty benefits that come with it. You might end up paying close to new MSRP, but if you can't wait for a new car, it's a good option.
Do a "top down"... all assumptions are "Assumptions"
Max capacity of BG .... 180 cars per day, 5 workdays per week, 47 work-weeks per year = 42K cars/yr.
2020 demand... 42K (assuming total potential production sold out 1y 1).
2020 Production.... 6500 cars Aug 1, plus 4K/mo Aug-Nov (?) = 22K
2020 orders pushed to 2021 = 20K
2021 demand.... damn near 40K...
Given that, you're looking at a 6-mo "bow-wave" of orders that probably won't be resolved until 2022???
You left off a few things in your calculations like 35 million unemployed, skyrocketing Covid, riots in the streets, etc, ect.... Businesses and people generally don't like uncertainty and it makes most people reassess their real needs which usually doesn't include a luxury car. I've also noticed that the flippers are starting to get a grip on reality and you can now find used C8's that are at or slightly above MSRP. This basically tells me that the flippers and premium cons have exhausted their supply of "gotta have it at any price" buyers.
I think the C8 hype curve has peaked, unlike the Covid peak.
Last edited by tdrake2020; Jul 26, 2020 at 02:47 PM.
I think the C8 hype curve has peaked, unlike the Covid peak.
You're just wrong, plain and simple. I have been out driving mine and at two different friends house when I stopped to visit, people driving down the street pulled over and stopped and introduced themselves and asked if they could see the car, first one they had seen in person. Forget the gas station, that's a fifteen minute meeting. The reaction of other drivers etc. is like nothing I have ever seen. When people see these, there will be another wave of buyers.
Covid numbers are all skewed, we went from a couple thousand tests a day to hundreds of thousands a day and when 40% don't even know they have it, yeah it looks like the numbers are going up, they aren't, just confirmed. Everyone around here has gone back to living life.
We'll see... Right now if you search on AutoTrader you can find used low mileage C8's around list price from dealers and private sellers. Even the die hard flipper prices are starting to drop to the low $100k's which IMHO is still hilarious. Most of the flipper cycle has run its course.
They don't have any carfax info on this one, but you have to ask yourself how does a dealership end up with a C8 with 474 miles? I'm guessing Repo. Your opinion will most likely differ.
Last edited by tdrake2020; Jul 26, 2020 at 02:58 PM.
^^^^Real nice political statement, bunch of Liberal BS.
Listen to Fox News and you'll hear it just like I heard this morning. But now that Fox has also gone far left I guess your Liberal BS statement is still true.
They don't have any carfax info on this one, but you have to ask yourself how does a dealership end up with a C8 with 474 miles? I'm guessing Repo. Your opinion will most likely differ.
As usual, you are wrong. That car has a VIN of 2930 so it hasn't been delivered for barely a month. Do think they repo a car on the 32nd day of a loan?
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Right now if you search on AutoTrader you can find used low mileage C8's around list price from dealers and private sellers. Even the die hard flipper prices are starting to drop to the low $100k's which IMHO is still hilarious. 
Most of the flipper cycle has run its course.
