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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 09:13 AM
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"They say they use a 6.2-liter naturally aspirated V8 engine producing 715 hp at 6,450 rpm (while revving all the way up to 9,000 rpm) and 715 lb-ft (968 Nm) of torque, but they also say they kept the Corvette engine."
“That remains a secret between our supplier in the USA and us. It’s all mechanical modifications though, you can’t do this through software.”

So, who is supplying Ares with this engine? GM?

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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 09:18 AM
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You can't make a FPC engine with 6.2 liters of displacement, not and have it last more than five minutes. It may have started as a Corvette engine, but when you are producing a dozen cars (or however few Ares makes) you can source an engine shop to build a highly modded engine. GM didn't give out a Z06 engine or anything else to a company making their own cars.
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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 10:22 AM
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You can change the internals and rev to 9000 RPM. There is no mention of how long the warranty is. There have been DOHC heads produced for the small block Chevy so why not the LT2? There are many choices when you have $591k price tag. Also a 6450 RPM power peak and a 9000 RPM rev limit would indicate useless RPM up top. Why would you go there except bragging rights or ignorance.
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probably not likely to be the Z06 motor. When IMSA was in Austin in February, I was in the garage with the Corvette team, and they were very secretive with the motor in the car (even though it's not the Z06 motor either) and did not allow anyone to even look at it, much less get pics. I feel GM is very guarded over this motor right now and it is unlikely anyone else has their hands on one.
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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Kodiak Bear
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/h...dy-148527.html

So, who is supplying Ares with this engine? GM?
Could be most anyone, it bolts to the 8-speed DCT, and the most cost-effective way to do this, both time and money, is to use a production-based unit. Lots of builders could meet the specs given in the article. The power peak versus redline doesn't make any sense.

Or they could have done what SSC did with the Tuatara, use small-block geometry with no actual GM parts. It's a 5.9L flat-plane twin turbo with a custom cast block. It's fabbed by Nelson Racing Engines. I'm not sure how much engineering optimization has gone into it. If my team came back to me and told me the rotating assembly needed 2 full days on the balancer, I'd go back to the drawing board, but then again, I'm not building low-volume million-dollar cars with $10G crankshafts.

That's the difference between these bespoke engines and a production unit from GM. The Ares may one day have a GM Z06 (flat-plane, cross plane), but for now I'm pretty sure it's not the Z06 engine.

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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 11:49 AM
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Another possibility: A few years ago, Mercury Marine came out with an LS-based DOHC engine that made 750 hp at 8,000 rpm. They may have gotten somebody to do the same thing for an LT.
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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 01:10 PM
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Another possibility: A few years ago, Mercury Marine came out with an LS-based DOHC engine that made 750 hp at 8,000 rpm. They may have gotten somebody to do the same thing for an LT.
Bingo. Who is saying its impossible for a fpc 6.2 liter engine to do 9000rpms? The story is do you want those characteristics in a road car, nothing else. The new motor is 5.5 litre fpc, and its been rumoured for about a year now. GM dosent need a boat engine builder anymore. Its all done in house since reorganization. This is not the GM from the 60s anymore in any capacity.
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Bingo. Who is saying its impossible for a fpc 6.2 liter engine to do 9000rpms? The story is do you want those characteristics in a road car, nothing else.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong, it has NOTHING to do with road car characteristics but everything to do with self destructing violent vibrations that become exponentially worse with increase of displacement. It's why it's accepted by all manufacturers that 5.0 liters is it if it is going to be reliable. Ford pushed it to 5.2 and had to do a HUGE amount of tricks to keep the VooDoo in one piece. Warranties come into play big time.
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Originally Posted by New car dude
Bingo. Who is saying its impossible for a fpc 6.2 liter engine to do 9000rpms? The story is do you want those characteristics in a road car, nothing else. The new motor is 5.5 litre fpc, and its been rumoured for about a year now. GM dosent need a boat engine builder anymore. Its all done in house since reorganization. This is not the GM from the 60s anymore in any capacity.
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I'm sorry, but you're wrong, it has NOTHING to do with road car characteristics but everything to do with self destructing violent vibrations that become exponentially worse with increase of displacement. It's why it's accepted by all manufacturers that 5.0 liters is it if it is going to be reliable. Ford pushed it to 5.2 and had to do a HUGE amount of tricks to keep the VooDoo in one piece. Warranties come into play big time.
Actually, I was thinking it was still a CPC engine, just DOHC.
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Originally Posted by Kodiak Bear
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/h...dy-148527.html

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"They say they use a 6.2-liter naturally aspirated V8 engine producing 715 hp at 6,450 rpm (while revving all the way up to 9,000 rpm) and 715 lb-ft (968 Nm) of torque, but they also say they kept the Corvette engine."
“That remains a secret between our supplier in the USA and us. It’s all mechanical modifications though, you can’t do this through software.”

So, who is supplying Ares with this engine? GM?

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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 02:46 PM
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If it does it, its some NASCAR-like rotating assembly. NASCAR engines are capable of around 9000rpm and they are pushrod.

Is it the Z06 engine? No.

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Sheesh... Que sera sera. No one knows who is telling.
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Old Oct 29, 2020 | 03:55 PM
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I wouldn't give this a pinch of salt Dany Bahar was the short-time CEO of Lotus that announced 5 models, did lifestyle collaborations with rappers, produced nothing, and left Lotus in worse than their normal terrible shape. He is all marketing, all hype, zero substance.
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