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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 10:05 AM
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Sitting at my local dealer getting an oil on
My Z. They have a 2020 1LT in the showroom with 12,000 miles. They are asking $94000.00.
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 10:12 AM
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Just imagine if that was a 3LT Z51 HTC
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 10:27 AM
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As long as there are rich desperate people with no patience, there will be stupid markups like that. Free country, what the market will bear, blah, blah, blah.
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 11:09 AM
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The used C8 market is laughable right now. But it's not only dealerships - you got guys on here price gouging too. Saw one dude list his C8 for $130K.
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 11:13 AM
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The prices on used C7's are just as crazy. The used car market is on fire.
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It isn't unusual for the new generation Corvettes to be over MSRP initially. The C8 being a hit and lower production numbers is going to keep the markups higher than normal for longer than normal.
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 11:33 AM
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Yea sold a 2015 1LT 23k miles with accident on it for 41k cash yesterday. I think a year ago, id be lucky to get 35k
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Originally Posted by michaeleverson
Sitting at my local dealer getting an oil on
My Z. They have a 2020 1LT in the showroom with 12,000 miles. They are asking $94000.00.
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Price is all relative. I know some members think it's terrible practice for a dealer to charge over MSRP. But what is a dealer supposed to do?

Guess they could do a Walmart on "Black Friday" and let everyone know they have an allocation of 4 cars and are opening the doors tomorrow morning and will sell to the first folks who come through the door.

Probably be "flippers" who will make the $10,000+ extra profit and create a dangerous situation! Around here you'd best bring your gun and a tent at midnight the day before if you plan to stand in line and fight for a car! Foolish.

The issue is created by the consumer who is demanding far more than GM can produce. Yep, a more logical and fair market to let he who wants one that bad pay the premium!

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Originally Posted by michaeleverson
Sitting at my local dealer getting an oil on
My Z. They have a 2020 1LT in the showroom with 12,000 miles. They are asking $94000.00.
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They can "ask" whatever they want. Selling it is another matter.
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They can "ask" whatever they want. Selling it is another matter.
They are asking but in Dallas Texas area. I have noticed that some dealers have had cars more than 6 months. Still wont go down in price. some delaers are doing about $10k over sticker and they are having cars longer than 2 weeks. So it doesn't look to good for these $20, $30 and $40k over sticker guys. Just check Ebay, same cars every week.
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Originally Posted by JerryU
Price is all relative. I know some members think it's terrible practice for a dealer to charge over MSRP. But what is a dealer supposed to do?

Guess they could do a Walmart on "Black Friday" and let everyone know they have an allocation of 4 cars and are opening the doors tomorrow morning and will sell to the first folks who come through the door.

Probably be "flippers" who will make the $10,000+ extra profit and create a dangerous situation! Around here you'd best bring your gun and a tent at midnight the day before if you plan to stand in line and fight for a car! Foolish.

The issue is created by the consumer who is demanding far more than GM can produce. Yep, a more logical and fair market to let he who wants one that bad pay the premium!



Drug dealers use the same logic....
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Originally Posted by michaeleverson
Sitting at my local dealer getting an oil on
My Z. They have a 2020 1LT in the showroom with 12,000 miles. They are asking $94000.00.
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Sat in a used 2021 3LT HTC with 1,600 miles on Saturday. $130k.
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 01:02 PM
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I subscribe to a very laissez-faire mentality personally but what many MANY people forget to take into account is that when you pay 15 to 30k over asking you are not just getting a C8. You are getting a car that for the time being commands and draws a lot of attention. They are paying for that premium because the reality is 6 months or 9 months from now that notoriety will fade as more C8's are on the road..

Me personally, I do not give a damn about that but some people do.
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Paying over MSRP for a C8 will cost you big in the long run.... once the market adjusts, you'll be on the same depreciation curve as anybody else, except you'll already be $10K+ in the hole....

That said, buying a new Corvette is stupid.... you'll get killed on depreciation... it's just a matter of how much money you can afford to **** away.... some people can **** $25K away, and not blink an eye, some can **** $45K away and not blink an eye.
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Originally Posted by jcp911s
Paying over MSRP for a C8 will cost you big in the long run.... once the market adjusts, you'll be on the same depreciation curve as anybody else, except you'll already be $10K+ in the hole....

That said, buying a new Corvette is stupid.... you'll get killed on depreciation... it's just a matter of how much money you can afford to **** away.... some people can **** $25K away, and not blink an eye, some can **** $45K away and not blink an eye.
Actually Corvette's do not depreciate that bad, and better than many. The C8 likely won't see any real depreciation for another 12-24 months. Having said that I won't pay over MSRP just to have one now.
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Actually Corvette's do not depreciate that bad, and better than many. The C8 likely won't see any real depreciation for another 12-24 months. Having said that I won't pay over MSRP just to have one now.
Corvettes depreciate.... but like Porsches, they plateau out after about 3-4 years..... so if you do a depreciation schedule, it looks like this:.... 15%, 15%, 10%, 10%.... and then a couple $K a year based on condition... if you plan to keep the car for more than 5 years, its not that bad, but if you buy a new Corvette (or any car) and sell it after 2 years, you take pipe...
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Originally Posted by hawkgfr
Drug dealers use the same logic....
Can't be stupid and remain a drug dealer!

Have a funny anecdote I use often re our education system. I have been Chair of our local tech college welding program "Advisory Committee" for over 15 years (been a member for over 35.) The fellow now in charge of the program (have about 125 students in the degree program) had an interesting story when some of our industry members complained about math skills from some of their graduates. One of the issues he has is kids coming in from high school have a hard time dealing with fractions and even reading a ruler. He told being at the local correction facility for folks nearing release and doing his classroom teaching there. They would come to the college "under supervision" for hands on skills.

He was discussing reading a ruler and adding fractions. One of the "students" was rattling off answers instantly to his questions. He told the fellow in front of the class, "You are the best student I have had in 15 years dealing with fractions." The "student" said, "You sell drugs, you learn to deal with fractions all the time!" Unfortunately just misdirected intelligence!
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Old Apr 21, 2021 | 02:33 PM
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Auto industry is in a different world in case nobody has realized it. Try going out and trying to buy a Tahoe or Suburban. You're going to start seeing those vehicles selling over MSRP as well.
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Originally Posted by jcp911s
Corvettes depreciate.... but like Porsches, they plateau out after about 3-4 years..... so if you do a depreciation schedule, it looks like this:.... 15%, 15%, 10%, 10%.... and then a couple $K a year based on condition... if you plan to keep the car for more than 5 years, its not that bad, but if you buy a new Corvette (or any car) and sell it after 2 years, you take pipe...
Gotta disagree with you. If you use the C7 as a barometer, with discounts a typical C7 base car was $49-50K before tax at Kerbeck, Macmulkin, etc. No way is that base car worth $25K after 4 years, Thats used C6 price and even then probably high mileage.

C8’s a whole different beast. Most dealers have a minimal 6-12 month waiting list and we are heading towards our third model year. I just don’t see massive depreciation hitting the C8 for a long time.
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All cars depreciate but specialty cars are in their own realm. Typically specialty cars, such as the Corvette, depreciate initially but then hold their value. Heck, I was lucky enough to purchase a used C6 that was 6 months old with only a couple hundred miles on it and 4 years later I sold it for the same price I purchased it for.
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