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In the 2021 C8J Production SS @Telepierre asked about tracking total time for a new order, DTD, Deposit to Delivery. The above info does not take it to delivery, but it does make it to Order Status 3800. So many other factors after 3800, but still close to the finish line. Let me know if questions or errors. My apologies for the graphics. I am more of a bean counter by trade, but know how to cut and paste from the internet. Happy 4th of July to everyone!
In the 2021 C8J Production SS @Telepierre asked about tracking total time for a new order, DTD, Deposit to Delivery. The above info does not take it to delivery, but it does make it to Order Status 3800. So many other factors after 3800, but still close to the finish line. Let me know if questions or errors. My apologies for the graphics. I am more of a bean counter by trade, but know how to cut and paste from the internet. Happy 4th of July to everyone!
WoW! DTD or rather DTP (Deposit to Produced) with illustration to boot! I briefly tallied 26 DTT (deposit to TPW) entries which is a very small number for averaging but it corroborates yours.
Thanks @Telepierre . I would defer back to BobG as he has gathered a lot of info regards to everyone's order from the various threads. I have continued this information farming and can then be manipulated for various averages and time frames. Although the calculation estimates a new order from initial deposit to production at 7.8 months, I would estimate the time frame as approximately 8-9 months. The most recent wait list information was already 2 weeks old at 6/21 and 6/17. The TPW averages are the middle of the range and you could probably add a week or two into the new order time frame as production builds for that allocation month. I know we would all like for the data to reveal a precise number for waiting, but I don't think it's practical basis the imperfect information we have and also the unknown factors related to unexpected shutdowns, future model test cars reducing production, etc.
I found the initial calculation interesting as MacMulkin and Ciocca/Kerbeck were the same with the necessary rounding of the allocation month to 6 months. I believe both dealerships do an awesome job supporting corvette. Dealing with #1 or #2 for the normal customer is going to be much faster than dealing with a much smaller local dealer where you are unsure of allocation #'s and where you stand on the waiting list. I am not discounting those folks that have researched and found something faster locally, but for most of us, including me, purchasing from a dealership where wait times are shorter due to volumes the choice was easy.
I appreciate the interaction and communication we receive at CF with MacMulkin. I believe he has the patience of Job to answer many of the questions posted online by anxious CF members. I have my order with Ciocca/Kerbeck as I have it planned out traveling to Atlantic City with my wife, having dinner in Atlantic City and then driving home with our new C8 the next morning. It would be great if we had more interaction and information on CF from Ciocca/Kerbeck, but I can see the tremendous time pull that is put on MM. I would be happy to provide more accurate information from MacMulkin or Cioicca/Kerbeck and suggest PM's would be an efficient method to provide the information. I would reiterate both dealerships are awesome in my opinion and do not want this to devolve into the back and forth competition between customers on who has the best dealership. Compare #1 and #2 to the folks that have waited nearly 24 months for their C8's!
Now we wait for Wednesday and BobG to update the production for Tuesday!
Last edited by VetteBlessed; Jul 5, 2021 at 11:31 AM.
Thanks @Telepierre . I would defer back to BobG as he has gathered a lot of info regards to everyone's order from the various threads. I have continued this information farming and can then be manipulated for various averages and time frames. Although the calculation estimates a new order from initial deposit to production at 7.8 months, I would estimate the time frame as approximately 8-9 months. The most recent wait list information was already 2 weeks old at 6/21 and 6/17. The TPW averages are the middle of the range and you could probably add a week or two into the new order time frame as production builds for that allocation month. I know we would all like for the data to reveal a precise number for waiting, but I don't think it's practical basis the imperfect information we have and also the unknown factors related to unexpected shutdowns, future model test cars reducing production, etc.
I found the initial calculation interesting as MacMulkin and Ciocca/Kerbeck were the same with the necessary rounding of the allocation month to 6 months. I believe both dealerships do an awesome job supporting corvette. Dealing with #1 or #2 for the normal customer is going to be much faster than dealing with a much smaller local dealer where you are unsure of allocation #'s and where you stand on the waiting list. I am not discounting those folks that have researched and found something faster locally, but for most of us, including me, purchasing from a dealership where wait times are shorter due to volumes the choice was easy.
I appreciate the interaction and communication we receive at CF with MacMulkin. I believe he has the patience of Job to answer many of the questions posted online by anxious CF members. I have my order with Ciocca/Kerbeck as I have it planned out traveling to Atlantic City with my wife, having dinner in Atlantic City and then driving home with our new C8 the next morning. It would be great if we had more interaction and information on CF from Ciocca/Kerbeck, but I can see the tremendous time pull that is put on MM. I would be happy to provide more accurate information from MacMulkin or Cioicca/Kerbeck and suggest PM's would be a method to provide the information and avoid many additional questions by CF members. I would reiterate both dealerships are awesome in my opinion and do not want this to devolve into the back and forth competition between customers on who has the best dealership. Compare #1 and #2 to the folks that have waited nearly 24 months for their C8's!
Now we wait for Wednesday and BobG to update the production for Tuesday!
I got a bit geekily carried away at that DTP and you are right; kudos to BobG and thread patriarch C8J!
I think you are making sound thought adjustments on the real meaning of the DTP. Data sourcing is a consideration. Another important consideration that may be captured "somehow" is that for MY21 there was a suspension of sold orders taking as early as March 21 and those unfortunate caught in it statistically are MY 21 DTP=null/NA.
So besides DTP it would be interesting to model the TPW chart numbers(?) from MY21 correlated to the issuance of the MY21 order taking suspension and call that orders saturation line (?). These are geeky dirty thoughts...I know everyone on the CF is hoping for the DTP to trend zero (me included) but here I am introducing ideas on cautionary/bad news stats... :-)
Hey 2022 folks....an interesting tidbit that may spell good things around the corner. In our various tpw threads, the last person with a tpw of 9/13 just reported they were moved back to 9/6. Our sample size is small, but could this be really good news for y'all?
And for all of you who want to know "when" (and trust me, once you get the allocation, you will!), the tpw threads are a very big piece of the puzzle, so I encourage you all to keep them going, and to share in them. It will help everyone, and I know it will help VetteBlessed!
Hey 2022 folks....an interesting tidbit that may spell good things around the corner. In our various tpw threads, the last person with a tpw of 9/13 just reported they were moved back to 9/6. Our sample size is small, but could this be really good news for y'all? ...
Good news, yes.
Funny, but at first I was wondering what was good about a TPW getting "moved back" - then realized the TPW actually moved forward, as in sooner.
Hey 2022 folks....an interesting tidbit that may spell good things around the corner. In our various tpw threads, the last person with a tpw of 9/13 just reported they were moved back to 9/6. Our sample size is small, but could this be really good news for y'all?
And for all of you who want to know "when" (and trust me, once you get the allocation, you will!), the tpw threads are a very big piece of the puzzle, so I encourage you all to keep them going, and to share in them. It will help everyone, and I know it will help VetteBlessed!
Hi Bob - interesting to see the TPW data that you have been tracking. Since 6/21 the TPW's have been fairly high with many in the mid to upper 20's range through 8/2. From TPW 8/9 and forward the numbers are much lower and still includes a portion of the full month April allocation. I know our sample size is small, but wonder if production continues at 175 per week will the May folks be pulled additional weeks forward? Unless there is an unexpected shutdown it appears GM will comfortably complete all of the MY21 orders by TPW 9/6 basis the small sample size from CF. Possibly they will run some cars for overseas orders to fill available production? I am new to this journey, but seems as if GM is not in a hurry to announce July allocations. Possibly they are pushing to have a much shorter time frame from 3000 to 3300...6-8 weeks from 7/31? Steve
Hi Bob - interesting to see the TPW data that you have been tracking. Since 6/21 the TPW's have been fairly high with many in the mid to upper 20's range through 8/2. From TPW 8/9 and forward the numbers are much lower and still includes a portion of the full month April allocation. I know our sample size is small, but wonder if production continues at 175 per week will the May folks be pulled additional weeks forward? Unless there is an unexpected shutdown it appears GM will comfortably complete all of the MY21 orders by TPW 9/6 basis the small sample size from CF. Possibly they will run some cars for overseas orders to fill available production? I am new to this journey, but seems as if GM is not in a hurry to announce July allocations. Possibly they are pushing to have a much shorter time frame from 3000 to 3300...6-8 weeks from 7/31? Steve
Your guess is as good as mine. With a small sample size, especially towards the end of the model year, I think it's impossible to have anything more than a guess as to what's next. Although, I don't know what sort of planning lead times they need for all the parts and sub-assemblies they use, if I were making the decision, and trying to get things back to "normal", I think I would find this a perfect time to at least start the new model year with whatever it is that they consider a "normal" period between 3000 and 3300. I'm fairly certain they monitor the online forums and other media platforms, and by now they should have heard loud and clear the frustration their (and their dealers) customers have with spending 3+ months in essentially "order limbo".
I know that strategy wouldn't be real popular with those who just want to get their order moving. But if it doesn't change their ultimate delivery date, and the actual order process moves right along, I'd bank on them quickly forgetting about that, as they focus on the car. But, I'm not in charge, and I don't know all of the details that they use to make the decision, so it's easy for me to monday morning quarterback what they should do...
In the 2021 C8J Production SS @Telepierre asked about tracking total time for a new order, DTD, Deposit to Delivery. The above info does not take it to delivery, but it does make it to Order Status 3800. So many other factors after 3800, but still close to the finish line. Let me know if questions or errors. My apologies for the graphics. I am more of a bean counter by trade, but know how to cut and paste from the internet. Happy 4th of July to everyone!
Hey look its me!! I am now 940 so moved down by 5 places! So I could possibly take delivery in 8 months? Still learning how all of this works as in the status numbers etc.
Happy August 1st to everyone! We are all still awaiting further information regarding the limited MY22 July allocations and hopefully plentiful August allocations. MY21 continues to close out at a consistent pace and as C8J has commented the amount of activity has decreased with the current SS as new owners have moved onto the fun part of C8 ownership.... driving their game changer. It's interesting to see the March allocation thread come full circle and see if future month threads are able to gather similar excitement and shared efforts of communication. When I first started with the MY22 SS discussion with BobG, I was not as interested in the TPW information, but after practicing with the MY21 SS and further tracking the TPW information provided by folks on the monthly allocation threads I can see the potential longer term insight for new order wait times. Hopefully others will graciously start threads for the July, August and future allocation months so that we can gather information and share our experiences.
For the last 7 weeks, 6/21 thru 8/2, the TPW information has shown production of 20-28 cars per week of Corvette Forum member orders. As you can see from the graph below the number of cars per week drops sharply beginning 8/9 thru 9/13. Realizing we are a small sample size, but the previous 7 weeks were steady, well into the 20's per week. I have no insight into the supply chain, but it appears MY21 should easily complete early September with potential MY22 starting early September basis the TPW info below. I am curious to see if the May folks will have their TPW's moved up or could significant levels of overseas RHD cars be scheduled into production in the next 6-10 weeks. We were provided specific information from the daily production source back in the week of June 7 that 18 cars were made for RHD and followed within the same VIN sequence for normal production. Have no further RHD cars been made since or have they been made and not noted by the person providing the information? Unless the RHD cars have been trickled in with normal production already, I would assume there would need to be made an opening to crank out several hundred(?) to get to overseas markets and keep the dream alive for these important markets also. Here is looking forward to a successful and positive month of August for everyone!
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Waiting for MM to set up "2022 MY Order Tracking" page; think they said on Monday that was their plan. Haven't bothered checking any other sources for my Event code; assuming I at 3000 at this point.
Waiting for MM to set up "2022 MY Order Tracking" page; think they said on Monday that was their plan. Haven't bothered checking any other sources for my Event code; assuming I at 3000 at this point.
We have very initial data on the reduced July allocation TPW's. In the July allocation tracking thread all of the reported TPW's are 9/13. Still more information to follow, but seems like GM has cleared the huge number of backorders and will hit the ground running with a clean slate for MY22. IMHO with BGA cranking out 850+ cars the last 9 weeks and reduced TPW's reported for May it feels like MY22 may start earlier unless there are other unknown plans/factors with production. It will be interesting to see if the May TPW's remain steady or get moved up.
Not much to add here with the MY22 SS. I did adjust the purple July to start 9/13 basis the reported TPW's from the July allocation thread.
Here is again hoping Thursday will be an informative day for all of us, especially the folks who have endured the June and July wait!
If I read the SS & your comments correctly, it appears MY 2022 starts fresh on 9/7.
Actually it looks like an error on my part. I moved the purple for July to 9/13, but did not adjust the SS to 9/13 and it still shows 9/7 as you are noting. I will not adjust at this point until we get further information as it may be 9/7, but need to get MY21 closed out and a better look on when MY22 will arrive. Thanks, Steve
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Happy 4th of July to everyone!
