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If the dealer has any ethics, they would not let this happen.
I think the dealership has every right to dictate how positions move but I do not know with absolute certainty if they can claim that the list of depositors is owned by them.
BTW I DO NOT MEAN TO BE ADVERSARIAL...I am now wondering myself. Anyway, I default to what Vetteman said also. This is why I like MM, the possibility of that is shutdown instantly.
Edit: This is actually really interesting. If anyone has some legal insight I would love to hear it. Contracts are not my area of tantamount expertise so I would like to learn.
Last edited by Inviktus; Aug 17, 2021 at 06:56 PM.
It is my understanding that the dealer controls their orders and allocations........ You can't sell your allocation....but if someone is willing to buy your car when you have the title ....that is normal...if someone is willing to prepay for a car you don't have and may not get....well that is stupid.....internet stupid..
I had a dealer tell me that he was taking 2k deposits for a spot on the waiting list but if I have him an extra 5k on top of that then he would bump me up the list.....safe to say I hung up on him
I don't know if I would agree with that to be honest. You are paying for a position in line. Your property is consideration that could be viewed as a contract by some courts. Now the dealership may claim to be custodians of your property (the deposit) but a court would likely find that to not be the case because your property is given in exchange for something.
I think the dealership has every right to dictate how positions move but I do not know with absolute certainty if they can claim that the list of depositors is owned by them.
BTW I DO NOT MEAN TO BE ADVERSARIAL...I am now wondering myself. Anyway, I default to what Vetteman said also. This is why I like MM, the possibility of that is shutdown instantly.
Edit: This is actually really interesting. If anyone has some legal insight I would love to hear it. Contracts are not my area of tantamount expertise so I would like to learn.
I think the dealership has every right to dictate how positions move but I do not know with absolute certainty if they can claim that the list of depositors is owned by them.
BTW I DO NOT MEAN TO BE ADVERSARIAL...I am now wondering myself. Anyway, I default to what Vetteman said also. This is why I like MM, the possibility of that is shutdown instantly.
Edit: This is actually really interesting. If anyone has some legal insight I would love to hear it. Contracts are not my area of tantamount expertise so I would like to learn.
Now if you pay a non refundable deposit near the time it's ready to be placed with GM by the dealer and "your car is made" it's the dealer's car as he has the obligation to pay GM NOT YOU! For many dealers IF you don't want the car, fine with them, they will have it to sell themselves at the going market price for someone who want's one NOW and will live with your color etc choice! A much better deal for the dealer! They will "probably" return your deposit with a thank you!

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In fact you don't really have a firm "place in line!" That is up to the integrity of the dealer, GM doesn't care what/when the dealer "places." In fact for 2020's some dealers took far more 1100 orders than they had allocations. It's a selling tool! . If their brother-in-law wants a car you can bet many will move him ahead of you!
Had a funny comment from a Hendrick salesman in Cary where I placed an early order for a C7 in February 2013, right after the launch. They were the only Hendrick dealership to agree, in writing, to sell the car at MSRP well before there was GM pricing. Even Kerbeck was NOT tanking future C7 orders at the time. I was #9 on their "list," Recall taking to the salesman a few months later and asked if I was still #9. He said you'll be #9 unless Jeff Gordon (who was driving for Hendrick at the time) want's one then you'll be #10.
Last edited by JerryU; Aug 18, 2021 at 08:59 AM.
For most who are taking early order deposits at MSRP it's usually refundable until it's close to the time for them to place an order with GM. Dealer 1100 orders where you get a "piece of paper" are called "Order Placed By Dealer" for a reason. That's essentially all they are. GM has zero obligation or intent to build that car until they accept an order when the "order window" opens.
Now if you pay a non refundable deposit near the time it's ready to be placed with GM by the dealer and "your car is made" it's the dealer's car as he has the obligation to pay GM NOT YOU! For many dealers IF you don't want the car, fine with them, they will have it to sell themselves at the going market price for someone who want's one NOW and will live with your color etc choice! A much better deal for the dealer! They will "probably" return your deposit with a thank you!
SIDEBAR
In fact you don't really have a firm "place in line!" That is up to the integrity of the dealer, GM doesn't care what/when the dealer "places." In fact for 2020's some dealers took far more 1100 orders than they had allocations. It's a selling tool! . If their brother-in-law wants a car you can bet many will move him ahead of you!
Had a funny comment from a Hendrick salesman in Cary where I placed an early order for a C7 in February 2013, right after the launch. They were the only Hendrick dealership to agree, in writing, to sell the car at MSRP well before there was GM pricing. Even Kerbeck was NOT tanking future C7 orders at the time. I was #9 on their "list," Recall taking to the salesman a few months later and asked if I was still #9. He said you'll be #9 unless Jeff Gordon (who was driving for Hendrick at the time) want's one then you'll be #10.
Now if you pay a non refundable deposit near the time it's ready to be placed with GM by the dealer and "your car is made" it's the dealer's car as he has the obligation to pay GM NOT YOU! For many dealers IF you don't want the car, fine with them, they will have it to sell themselves at the going market price for someone who want's one NOW and will live with your color etc choice! A much better deal for the dealer! They will "probably" return your deposit with a thank you!

SIDEBAR
In fact you don't really have a firm "place in line!" That is up to the integrity of the dealer, GM doesn't care what/when the dealer "places." In fact for 2020's some dealers took far more 1100 orders than they had allocations. It's a selling tool! . If their brother-in-law wants a car you can bet many will move him ahead of you!
Had a funny comment from a Hendrick salesman in Cary where I placed an early order for a C7 in February 2013, right after the launch. They were the only Hendrick dealership to agree, in writing, to sell the car at MSRP well before there was GM pricing. Even Kerbeck was NOT tanking future C7 orders at the time. I was #9 on their "list," Recall taking to the salesman a few months later and asked if I was still #9. He said you'll be #9 unless Jeff Gordon (who was driving for Hendrick at the time) want's one then you'll be #10.

Like I said it comes down to the deposit, is it a bargained for exchange or is the dealership considered a custodian of the deposit for the time being? I never really considered it.
Last edited by Inviktus; Aug 18, 2021 at 12:23 PM.
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I'm sure a lawyer will be glad to help! BUT this is not an ambulance chasing "We'll take it on contingency lawyer for injured people case!" Yep pay a reputable lawyer (if you can find one) and they will be glad to take it through the many legal steps and time IF YOU INSIST!
I'm sure a lawyer will be glad to help! BUT this is not an ambulance chasing "We'll take it on contingency lawyer for injured people case!" Yep pay a reputable lawyer (if you can find one) and they will be glad to take it through the many legal steps and time IF YOU INSIST!
Last edited by JerryU; Aug 18, 2021 at 12:53 PM.
Don't get me wrong I think if someone would commence litigation over their position in line over a c8 they need some help...mental help. In a way I see this as more of a law school question lol
Like I said it comes down to the deposit, is it a bargained for exchange or is the dealership considered a custodian of the deposit for the time being? I never really considered it.
Like I said it comes down to the deposit, is it a bargained for exchange or is the dealership considered a custodian of the deposit for the time being? I never really considered it.
^^^^
I'm sure a lawyer will be glad to help! BUT this is not an ambulance chasing "We'll take it on contingency lawyer for injured people case!" Yep pay a reputable lawyer (if you can find one) and they will be glad to take it through the many legal steps and time IF YOU INSIST!
I'm sure a lawyer will be glad to help! BUT this is not an ambulance chasing "We'll take it on contingency lawyer for injured people case!" Yep pay a reputable lawyer (if you can find one) and they will be glad to take it through the many legal steps and time IF YOU INSIST!

Gave me a chuckle.
I am a retired new car dealer who has taken thousands of deposits on both ordered and in-stock vehicles. The answer to your question is a simple one and can be found by reading the entire buyer's order front and back. I have never seen a buyer's order that does not give the dealer a way out of an ordered vehicle. If there is no signed buyer's order, the question is even more simple.























