Notices
C8 Stingray/General Discussion The place to discuss the next generation of Corvette including the Stingray.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Wheel Design

Flipper 101

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 12, 2022 | 05:00 PM
  #1  
ak6960's Avatar
ak6960
Thread Starter
Racer
 
Joined: Jul 2022
Posts: 454
Likes: 272
Default Flipper 101

Trying to understand the flipper market from the prospective of the seller. It seems to me most cars that are intended to be flipped are purchased are ordered near to lowest cost possible from an MSRP dealer and then re sold at what ever price the market will allow. I am assuming that they all have been titled and registered, sales tax paid for the state registered in and insured while working through the resale process. If a well seasoned reseller was getting on multiple MSRP lists and placing an order for a dedicated flipper, what is the spec that represent best bang for the buck / margin to be made?

1LT coupe, red with black interior and zero options? ROI target that makes it worth the effort?





Reply

Popular Reply

Sep 12, 2022, 11:18 PM
blackvetterzo6's Avatar
blackvetterzo6
Le Mans Master
Photogenic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,421
Likes: 1,128
From: Goodyear Arizona
Default

It’s amazing how many C8’s are for sale, I’m wondering when they will start piling up, it’s definately coming.
Old Sep 12, 2022 | 09:18 PM
  #2  
harley2's Avatar
harley2
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,906
Likes: 1,365
From: Sevierville Tn
Default

2lt brings more buyers
Reply
Old Sep 12, 2022 | 11:18 PM
  #3  
blackvetterzo6's Avatar
blackvetterzo6
Le Mans Master
Photogenic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 5,421
Likes: 1,128
From: Goodyear Arizona
Default

It’s amazing how many C8’s are for sale, I’m wondering when they will start piling up, it’s definately coming.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 12:48 PM
  #4  
MartyKC's Avatar
MartyKC
Drifting
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,534
Likes: 719
From: Janesville WI
Default

A quick check of BaT auctions definitely shows the market cooling off for the C8. Lots of Reserve not met, Lots of cars selling just over the MSRP, by less than 5-10K. That's not a flippers market after you pay tax title and license.

1) 93K MSRP sold for 98K: (3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-30/

2) 97K MSRP reserve not met, bid to 118K (R edition)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-28/

3) 85K MSRP, sold for 87K (2020 edition, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-stingray-105/

4) 95K MSRP Sold for 104K (2022 HTC, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-27/

5) 83K MSRP sold for 92K (2022, 2LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-40/

6) 89K MSRP sold for 93K (Brand new 2023, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ray-coupe-3lt/

7) 87K MSRP sold for 85K (used 2020, 7K miles, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2020-chevrolet-c8/

8) 97K MSRP Reserve not Met, bid to 108K (44 mile car, but a 2022 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...e-stingray-3l/

9) 76K MSRP, sold for 79K (7K miles, 2020 2LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...coupe-2lt-z51/

10) 93K MSRP, sold for 102K (20 mile 2022 version 2LT, Z51)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...nvertible-z51/

Last edited by MartyKC; Sep 13, 2022 at 12:56 PM. Reason: Clarify
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 01:01 PM
  #5  
rkrupka's Avatar
rkrupka
Pro
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 703
Likes: 357
Default

Originally Posted by MartyKC
A quick check of BaT auctions definitely shows the market cooling off for the C8. Lots of Reserve not met, Lots of cars selling just over the MSRP, by less than 5-10K. That's not a flippers market after you pay tax title and license.

1) 93K MSRP sold for 98K: (3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-30/

2) 97K MSRP reserve not met, bid to 118K (R edition)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-28/

3) 85K MSRP, sold for 87K (2020 edition, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-stingray-105/

4) 95K MSRP Sold for 104K (2022 HTC, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-27/

5) 83K MSRP sold for 92K (2022, 2LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...t-corvette-40/

6) 89K MSRP sold for 93K (Brand new 2023, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ray-coupe-3lt/

7) 87K MSRP sold for 85K (used 2020, 7K miles, 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2020-chevrolet-c8/

8) 97K MSRP Reserve not Met, bid to 108K (44 mile car, but a 2022 3LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...e-stingray-3l/

9) 76K MSRP, sold for 79K (7K miles, 2020 2LT)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...coupe-2lt-z51/

10) 93K MSRP, sold for 102K (20 mile 2022 version 2LT, Z51)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...nvertible-z51/

"Lots of cars selling just over the MSRP, by less than 5-10K."
Not including the BAT fee of about $5K. Interestingly a number of these cars have had 2 or more owners prior to this sale.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 02:15 PM
  #6  
bhvrdr's Avatar
bhvrdr
Safety Car
 
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 4,079
Likes: 2,414
From: Florida
Default

1LT in red or white

Black or red interior

Zero options or add just the "stingray R" package for 700 bucks so it can be sold as a "stingray R"


That'll get the most profit and same day sales
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 09:24 PM
  #7  
Avanti's Avatar
Avanti
Race Director
25 Year Member
Community Builder
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 19,948
Likes: 6,753
From: Bonneville Salt Flats
Default

And here I thought I was going to the Sea World site. It can prove to be amazing what's for sale if an outrageous enough offer is made.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 11:00 PM
  #8  
Big Lebowski's Avatar
Big Lebowski
Le Mans Master
20 Year Member
Conversation Starter
Shutterbug
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,361
Likes: 4,800
From: West Burbs of Chicago IL
Default

Originally Posted by ak6960
Trying to understand the flipper market from the prospective of the seller. It seems to me most cars that are intended to be flipped are purchased are ordered near to lowest cost possible from an MSRP dealer and then re sold at what ever price the market will allow. I am assuming that they all have been titled and registered, sales tax paid for the state registered in and insured while working through the resale process. If a well seasoned reseller was getting on multiple MSRP lists and placing an order for a dedicated flipper, what is the spec that represent best bang for the buck / margin to be made?

1LT coupe, red with black interior and zero options? ROI target that makes it worth the effort?
Definitely accelerate yellow, red interior and chrome rims. Definitely a hot combo,

Why not ask your selling dealer for some pointers…or figure it out yourself?
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 11:03 PM
  #9  
Vetteman Jack's Avatar
Vetteman Jack
Administrator
Supporting Lifetime
Veteran: Navy
St. Jude 20 Year Donor
25 Year Member
Veteran: Reserves
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 368,080
Likes: 24,732
From: In a parallel universe. Currently own 2014 Stingray Coupe.
C7 of the Year - Modified Finalist 2021
MO Events Coordinator
St. Jude Co-Organizer
St. Jude Donor '03 thru '25
NCM Sinkhole Donor
CI 5, 8 & 11 Veteran
Default

I think that your assumptions are pretty accurate - buy low (MSRP) and sell at a much higher profit - makes perfect sense for the seller. If I were a buyer, the 2LT package would be what I would be looking for. However, I have no intention of spending more than MSRP (and eventually hopefully less) to get a C8. I will say there are many people that will pay above MSRP just to not have to wait the 12 or more months it takes to order and receive a car.
Reply
Old Sep 13, 2022 | 11:07 PM
  #10  
Kevin A Jones's Avatar
Kevin A Jones
Race Director
Conversation Starter
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 13,602
Likes: 12,864
From: Virginia
Default

Auctions such as BaT will typically yield the least for sellers. It's more about having contacts / knowing where to sell. To be a successful fisherman you have to go where the fish are.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2022 | 08:54 AM
  #11  
CamsC8's Avatar
CamsC8
Burning Brakes
Supporting Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 1,189
Likes: 1,002
From: Toronto, Canada
Default

I've sold two C8s to date and the best one was a 20 2LT coupe Z51 which I netted $25k over (above taxes etc).

The second one was a 21 1LT HTC with standalone mag ride at $19k over (above taxes etc.).

Both cars were my daily drivers and had over 15,000 kms on them when sold so I can only imagine what new would have brought. But in Canada we get blacklisted if sold within a year and not met 12,000 kms.

Last edited by CamsC8; Sep 14, 2022 at 09:05 AM.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2022 | 10:00 AM
  #12  
Greg00Coupe's Avatar
Greg00Coupe
Race Director
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 13,278
Likes: 2,509
From: Bluffton SC via Canton Oh
Default

I can relate to the post above from CamsC8. I too had a 20 that when I got it in 12/20 was offered 12K over msrp. I thought no you cant drive money and kept it. 6 months later when that number went to almost 23K and the car had 4K miles on it and the 21s were out I said I'll take the money.

That was June 21, and by year end I had the opportunity to buy 2 22 models. I ordered a HTC and still have it. Also ordered a 2LT with the most popular options and colors. Car came in and I flipped it for a $17K profit. This was early in 22 and I suspect the market is finally cooling.

I'm fortunate to only pay $500 in sales tax but if I was in another state the 7 8 % sales tax would dent any flipper profits.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2022 | 11:24 AM
  #13  
solteroblues's Avatar
solteroblues
Instructor
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 240
Likes: 140
From: Newnan, Ga
Default

I recently bought a 21 with 700 miles for about $1k over MSRP, but it was the only one I could find. Most around here are still about $10k over, or at least that's what they're asking. My hometown has a dealer who's still charging $25k over.
Reply
Old Sep 14, 2022 | 03:05 PM
  #14  
DrewK769's Avatar
DrewK769
Racer
 
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 383
Likes: 342
From: Bernardsville, NJ
Default

There were a couple of C8s with the “C8.R” cosmetic packages that sold at Mecum last year for $300k. What is that, a $190,000 profit? That was probably the best outcome, as those cars were limited to 1,000 copies I think, and yet we’re not all that expensive at MSRP. There were also low optioned 1LTs selling for $100,000-150,000…not bad at all.

Those first few Z06 buyers will seriously have life changing profit potential with their cars, IMHO. If a C8.R is $300,000, what is a truly rare supercar like a Z06 worth to the collector that needs one right now? I think $500,000 is not going to be unusual. Maybe something even more crazy. This Z06 will also be more rare than generations before, most likely, which will only further justify the cost of admission to some people.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2022 | 08:54 AM
  #15  
zo6corvette's Avatar
zo6corvette
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 185
Likes: 76
From: Pa
Default

Ordered a 2023 3LT in April got it in June. Offered $20K above MSRP before it got to my driveway. Didn't buy it to flip it, just enjoying the car right now, till ZO6 comes.in.
With winter coming and stock market crashing prices are dropping, play money is drying up, depending on cash flow I would think some flippers are starting to worry. Was a good jig while it lasted but it too shall pass.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2022 | 10:28 AM
  #16  
WishfulThinker23's Avatar
WishfulThinker23
Racer
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 482
Likes: 428
From: NE Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by zo6corvette
Ordered a 2023 3LT in April got it in June. Offered $20K above MSRP before it got to my driveway.
I'm curious how you received an offer so quickly. Did you request offers? Who was it from? Inquiring minds want to know....
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2022 | 01:51 PM
  #17  
zo6corvette's Avatar
zo6corvette
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Sep 2021
Posts: 185
Likes: 76
From: Pa
Default

Friends knew of the order placed and then timely delivery. An older friend asks if I would be willing to sell upon delivery. Doesn't want to go through what most go through to order a car.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Flipper 101

Old Oct 2, 2022 | 02:06 PM
  #18  
WishfulThinker23's Avatar
WishfulThinker23
Racer
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Nov 2021
Posts: 482
Likes: 428
From: NE Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by zo6corvette
Friends knew of the order placed and then timely delivery. An older friend asks if I would be willing to sell upon delivery. Doesn't want to go through what most go through to order a car.
That's interesting, thanks.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2022 | 11:33 PM
  #19  
M2Pilot's Avatar
M2Pilot
Advanced
 
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 92
Likes: 57
Default

I may be mistaken but I believe sellers fee for BAT is only $250. I suppose one could go to BAT website to determine what it really is.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2022 | 01:25 AM
  #20  
clubracer23's Avatar
clubracer23
Pro
Supporting Lifetime
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 635
Likes: 54
From: Phoenix Arizona
Default

Originally Posted by M2Pilot
I may be mistaken but I believe sellers fee for BAT is only $250. I suppose one could go to BAT website to determine what it really is.
You are correct. I recently sold a C5 on BaT and the seller fee was nominal (I paid a little extra for professional pictures) and the buyer paid a percentage of the sales price to BaT (I believe they cap it at a certain amount). I was quite happy with the process & result but I also believe it’s not the best place to sell a C8 unless it’s a special edition.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-chevrolet-corvette-45/

Last edited by clubracer23; Oct 3, 2022 at 01:45 AM.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:11 PM.

story-0
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-2
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE