I have to assume this will happen at some point. I am sure gm could have milked more power out of this package, but they had several things to balance, fuel mileage, emissions, and drivability under all conditions. So it will be interesting to see what will be available when that happens,

 

Cool story, bro.

 

I doubt it honestly. What little is left on the table won't be felt.

 

I thought I read that it had been cracked and that there was little to no gains to be found.

 

Yup, months ago. No gains.

 

Last years news!

 

I was so enlightened by this post.

 

The car will request as much as 28 degrees of timing (can run race gas) and will run lean all day in part throttle economy driving and fatten up exactly as needed under wot conditions in response to egt. It doesn't need tuning in stock form.

 

Pull the ECU out.
Crack it with a hammer.
Install Full Standalone.
Tune away.

Love the car as is, maybe an exhaust or go FI and be done.

 

There is quite a lag time between something happening and the news of it filtering out to everybody.

 

At this stage in the game I doubt its going to happen. EPA is closing in on software manufactures, HP Tuners is working on compliance right now, they dont care about cracking new ECU's... Trifecta claimed they cracked it and went dark. Unfortunately the days factory ECU tuning are behind us. The government has put their foot down and the OEM's have fell in line. Ford is following suit on the s650 Mustang.

The people saying theirs no gains to be had aren't looking at the bigger picture. Native tuning unlocks the ability to do things like Cam swaps, Boost enrichment, ect. To say there's nothing left on the table is naive, this platform could see substantial gains from internal engine modifications (heads/cam/ported intakes) and the addition of factory controlled power enrichment for boosted applications. But the lack of native tuning makes this near impossible. Piggyback stand alones exist but don't allow the control and drivability of the factory ECU. It sucks but unfortunately the reality the powers that be dealt.

I believe what you'll see in the future... or for that matter we're already starting to see is companies like Lingenfelter, with factory associations that are allowed to sell Canned tunes to certain shops who install their products (I.E. this whole Lingenfelter Supercharger thing that's in the works with 5 licensed installers across the country). Ford Performance has already announced they'll sell a bolt on supercharger and canned tune for the s650 through Whipple/lethal performance. So modification isn't off the table (yet), however it will be relegated to licensed speed shops under a parent company who is in bed with the OEM's. Great for the selected few, bad for the rest of the industry... Time's are changing and I'm afraid the best of things are behind us.

 

People are saying theirs no gains from tuning without doing significant hardware mods. And forcthat tuning is available. Procharger is delivering supercharger packages with the ecu tuned for them.

 

Incorrect, tuning is not available, piggy backed stand alones are which is not the same thing as native ECU tuning as it doesn't allow the amount of control, just a way to add fueling for boost. Procharger however is one of the manufacturers that fall in that category that GM has allowed in bed with them. They are allowing certain installers access for canned tuning to support that very specific mod, this is not open source tuning or a cracked ecu, this is GM allowing those companies alone access to add a factory calibration to the factory ECU. Until this software becomes available to the public in an open source the average person/shop can't tune their C8. You can't just go to Procharger and say hey i want to put a cam in my c8 will you guys tune it... Unless its their entire system they wont touch it. They have an agreement with GM.

 

Procharger is tuning the ecu. Not a piggyback. Yes procharger does not custom tune that im aware of.

 

Yes, Procharger is tuning the factory ecu... however the software they are using to do it is not open source, its from GM because GM decided to allow them to do so (see last paragraph of my first post).... therefore no open source native ECU tuning exists for the aftermarket performance community. So if you want a Procharger and nothing else your golden, but if you want to do any more than that your effectively screwed.

 

Then wonder why your DCT and every other system on the car no longer works.

There's a high level of integration and security between the different modules in the car. Take the most important one out of the loop and watch the whole thing shut down.

 

Octane question. I assume the C8 ECU has a knock sensor to adjust timing. If you use racing gasoline with a significantly higher octane rating, will the ECU recognize the absence of engine knock; i.e. pinging, and allow the engine to utilize the higher octane and produce extra engine power?

 

We are all aware. I know how it works and I know exactly what’s coming.

There is a full standalone Motec system that will do it all. It’s coming and for this car. The only thing it couldn’t control was the heated seats of all things and future updates. But there’s nearly a year wait on their products. With a big cost. Plus I was only making a simple funny statement. It’s obvious there will never be a basic tuning product for this platform.

 

Not worth the hassle for a street vehicle. For me there are simply too many other readily workable options to deal with when I wish to play... or go really fast (think B'ville).

 

Point of order:: C7 tuners could make naturally asperated LT1 engines up into the 600 HP range with good drivability. {Heads, Cam, Headers, throttle body, compression, ... all the standard HP increasing "tricks"}

There is nothing, but the locked ECU, preventing LT2 C8s from getting at least that much HP, too.