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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 08:49 AM
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I have a 2022 C8 with 506 miles. It's 10 months old and I am getting a message that the oil has only 15% life left. Do I need an oil change. Car has been gently used and just broken in.
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Your car and your decision, but one parameter the oil life monitor looks at is time. With your low miles it is counting down time so it recommends an oil change at 12 months. I would want a receipt to show it had been done for any future warranty issues.
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I have a 2022 C8 with 506 miles. It's 10 months old and I am getting a message that the oil has only 15% life left. Do I need an oil change. Car has been gently used and just broken in.
Owners Manual requires an oil change at least once per year, or sooner if your oil life monitor says.
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My question is how is it only showing 15%, the car isn’t even broken in? Is this a GM ‘time thing’ like when they used to put a sticker on your windshield? I’m at 632 miles, 89% oil but only 6 weeks old if that data point helps.
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Originally Posted by Fishfryer527
My question is how is it only showing 15%, the car isn’t even broken in? Is this a GM ‘time thing’ like when they used to put a sticker on your windshield? I’m at 632 miles, 89% oil but only 6 weeks old if that data point helps.
Post number 2 and 3 both addressed that question.

Time is a requirement not just mileage. You can Google oil life due to time. I don't know of a single oil that warranties itself for over a year even 20k mile oils.

When oil sits on an engine (and less so in dry dumps but still possibly a bit) the air that sits in there with it cools and heats and moisture develops. Water kills oil. It's actually considered severe duty to not drive the car or to make short trips where oil never gets up to operating temp regularly to burn off the water.
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Originally Posted by Fishfryer527
My question is how is it only showing 15%, the car isn’t even broken in? Is this a GM ‘time thing’ like when they used to put a sticker on your windshield? I’m at 632 miles, 89% oil but only 6 weeks old if that data point helps.
The engineers that program the algorithms know what they're doing and are pretty smart guys; GM's OLM is one of the most complex in the industry. Time, driving conditions, temps, miles, distance of trips, etc. are all taken into account and factored in to your remaining oil life. Time wasn't factored in prior to 2013 and that was a common complaint that someone was "required" to get an oil change with so much remaining life on the meter. With the OP having so few miles on his 10 month old oil, he could theoretically drive to Alaska tomorrow and not lose any additional oil life since time is his most dominant factor at this point as it would take a lot of driving for actual miles to catch up to the elapsed time at this point.
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Originally Posted by bhvrdr
Post number 2 and 3 both addressed that question.

Time is a requirement not just mileage. You can Google oil life due to time. I don't know of a single oil that warranties itself for over a year even 20k mile oils.
Although not necessarily the oil itself, the only exception I know of off-hand would be the 1st gen Chevy Volt calling for an oil change interval of every 2 years. The factory oil filter, made by Mahle, was quite robust and heavy-duty to withstand that extra soak time. The oil spec called for was just your standard Dexos-approved 5W-30.
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Although not necessarily the oil itself, the only exception I know of off-hand would be the 1st gen Chevy Volt calling for an oil change interval of every 2 years. The factory oil filter, made by Mahle, was quite robust and heavy-duty to withstand that extra soak time. The oil spec called for was just your standard Dexos-approved 5W-30.
Yeah it's extremely extremely rare. I love mahle filters...

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Originally Posted by Fishfryer527
My question is how is it only showing 15%, the car isn’t even broken in? Is this a GM ‘time thing’ like when they used to put a sticker on your windshield? I’m at 632 miles, 89% oil but only 6 weeks old if that data point helps.
Your 89% is what would be expected based on time. (52 weeks-6 weeks)/52 weeks = 88.4%.
OPs car was 10 months old - it it was exactly 10 months, and time was dominant - that would be 2 months/12months = 16.7%. He said he had 15% I think, so again it is in the ballpark.

While other factors are considered by the oil life monitor - such as miles etc - they will only serve to shorten - not lengthen the time - For low miles per year, the dominant factor will be time.

And it is a valid factor - not just hype - not just about the warranty. Oil that has been put in the engine is exposed to "contaminants" which interact with oil and cause its performance to deteriorate with time. There are various reasons given for that - such as breakdown of the additives - but its a pretty well accepted fact. Of course its not going to be good one day, and totally fail the next. The degradation is gradual. The one year requirement is likely based on insuring that oil performance loss is minimal. That said, it could complicate a warranty claim if you had an engine issue and did not change the oil as required in the Owner's Manual.


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For warranty purposes, yes you should do an oil change. As stated, the OLM factors in time when coming up with an oil life remaining percentage.

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The biggest factors affecting oil life are the number of cold starts and the amount of idle time. I do not know the programming, but the models used for oil life must heavily weigh these two factors. So, despite the low mileage, how many cold starts do you have and how much idle time? And yes, the yearly requirement for oil change is winding down as well.....
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Originally Posted by Mitchell_B
The biggest factors affecting oil life are the number of cold starts and the amount of idle time. I do not know the programming, but the models used for oil life must heavily weigh these two factors. So, despite the low mileage, how many cold starts do you have and how much idle time? And yes, the yearly requirement for oil change is winding down as well.....
Our OLM is pretty stupid actually (not meant in a derogatory way). Ive yet to see it take anything else into account besides time and mileage.

Be interesting to see anyone post of their OLM ever has told anyone to change it before 1 year or before 7500 miles even if they tracked it for 100 hours or did 500 trips with oil never coming up to temp for a single trip or idled the car for 100 hours.
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Originally Posted by Fishfryer527
My question is how is it only showing 15%, the car isn’t even broken in? Is this a GM ‘time thing’ like when they used to put a sticker on your windshield? I’m at 632 miles, 89% oil but only 6 weeks old if that data point helps.
100% divided by 12 months = 8.33% per month. That's the amount your oil life meter (OLM) will go down per month. A car with 0 miles since the last time the OLM was reset would show 0% oil life left 1 year later.

The OLM provides oil change guidance at the end of 1 year or 7500 miles, whichever comes first.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 06:04 PM
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If you change the oil and filter yourself at the appropriate times, and use the recommended oil and filter, that will not affect your warranty. GM cannot force you to take it to the dealer for oil/filter changes to keep you warranty in place.
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Originally Posted by Mitchell_B
The biggest factors affecting oil life are the number of cold starts and the amount of idle time. I do not know the programming, but the models used for oil life must heavily weigh these two factors..
Actually, that's not true at all. This was posted on BITOG (Bob is the Oil Guy) forum a number of years ago:

One thing I can touch on and clear up.....the GM oil life monitor operation and my statement that ZDP (or ZDDP as you tend to call it here...most of the API literature just sticks to ZDP so I tend to use that) depletion is the basis for oildeterioration.
My spelling is poor but ZDP stands for zinc dialkyldithiophosphate which , as it sounds, is an anti-wear compound comprised of zinc and phosphorus.

ZDP is dispersed in the oil so as to be at a potential wear site if a surface asperity happens to break thru the oil film thickness causing the dreaded metal-to-metal contact. A molecule of ZDP must be present at that moment to prevent microwelding at the contact site which will cause material transfer, scuffing, scoring, wear and catostrophic failure. The concentration of ZDP in the oil will determine if there is ZDP present to work it's magic. The greater the concentration...the more likely a molecule of ZDP will be there...and vice versa.

By nature, ZDP is sacrifical. As ZDP is "used up" at a wear site to prevent micorwelding the concentration of ZDP decreases.... So...if you measure the ZDP concentration in engine oil in a running engine it will decrease at linear rate based on engine revolutions. Any given engine has a certain number of high potential wear areas where metal-to-metal contact could occur due to reduced film thickness and/or surface asperities....areas such as rubbing element cam followers, distributor gears, rocker arm pivots, push rod tips, etc...... The more of these areas the more ZDP depletion. The more often these features come in contact the greater the ZDP depletion. That is why, generally speaking, ZDP concentration in the oil, for any given engine, will decrease at a fairly linear rate when plotted versus cummulative engine revolutions. The more times it turns the more contact the more chance for wear the greater the depletion. This is as much of a fact as I could quote ever and is really not speculation or anything. It is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in many studies. That is why it is ONE of the basis for determining oil life remaining and why it is THE basic premis of the GM oil life algorithm. It is only ONE of the things that determines oil life...but it is the one thing that can be tied to engine operation in a linear fashion and estimated very accurately by accumulating engine revolutions via a counter.

The GM engine oil life monitor counts engine revolutions and accumulates the number for the basis of the oil life calculation. It then adds deterioration factors for operating temperature, start up temperature, soak times, ambient, coolant temperature, etc... There are a LOT of factors that "adjust" or affect the slope of the deterioration but the fundamental deterioration is traced back to the ZDP depletion that is inescapable with engine revolutions. The specific rate of ZDP depletion is readily measurable for any given engine so that is the fundamental item that is first calibrated for the oil life algorithm to tailor it specifically to that engine.

You would obviously like to get the oil out of the engine before the ZDP concentration gets so low that it is ineffective at being at the right place at the right time and preventing engine wear so that becomes the long term limit on oil life for that application.

The other things that determine oil life such a acid build up, oxidation, petane insuluables such as silicon from dust/dirt, carbon or soot build up from the EGR in blowby, water contamination, fuel contamination, etc.... are all modeled by the multipliers or deterioration factors that "adjust" the immediate slope of the line defined by the engine revolution counter as those items can be modeled in other ways and accounted for in the immediate slope of the ZDP depletion line.

The algorithm was developed over the course of many years by several lubrication experts at GM Fuels and Lubes, spearheaded by Doctor Shirley Schwartz who holds the patents (with GM) for the algorithm and the oil life monitor. I had the luck of working directly with Dr. Schwartz when the idea of the oil life monitor first progressed from the theoretical/lab stage to real world testing/development/validation. There were fleets of cars operated under all conditions that deteriorate the oil life for any and every reason and , thru oil sampling and detailed analysis of the oilcondition, the algorithm was developed, fine tuned and validated to be the most accurate way invented yet to recommend an oil change interval by. As just one example, I have seen cars driven side-by-side on trips, one towing a trailer and one not, for instance, to prove the effectiveness of the oil life monitor in deteriorating the oil at a faster rate just because of the higher load, higher average RPM, higher temps, etc...and it works flawlessly.

The oil life monitor is so effective because: it is customized for that specific vehicle/engine, it takes everything into account that deteriorates the oil, it is ALWAYS working so as to take into account THAT INDIVIDUALS driving schedule, and it tailors the oil change to that schedule and predicts, on an ongoing basis, the oil life remaining so that that specific individual can plan an oil change accordingly. No other system can do this that effectively.

One thing is that I know personally from years of testing and thousands of oil analysis that the oil life algorithm works. There is simply no argument to the contrary. If you don't believe me, fine, but, trust me, it works. It is accurate because it has been calibrated for each specific engine it is installed on and there is considerable testing and validation of the oil life monitor on that specific application. Not something that oil companies or Amsoil do. They generalize....the oil life monitor is very specific for that application. Oil condition sensors in some BMW and Mercedes products are useful, also. They have their limitations, though, as they can be blind to some contaminates and can, themselves, be contaminated by certain markers or constituents of certain engine oils. Oil condition sensors can only react to the specific oil at that moment and they add complexity, cost and another potential item to fail. One other beauty of the GM oil life monitor is that it is all software and does not add any mechanical complexity, mass, wiring or potential failure mechanism.

There is considerable safety factor in the GM oil life monitor. Typically, I would say, there is a 2:1 safety factor in the slope of the ZDP depletion curve....in other words, zero percent oil life per the ZDP depletion is not zero ZDP but twice the concentration of ZDP considered critical for THAT engine to operate under all conditions reliably with no wear. This is always a subject of discussion as to just how low do you want the ZDP to get before the oil is "worn out" if this is the deciding factor for oil life. We would tend to be on the conservative side. If the oil life is counting down on a slope that would recommend a 10K change interval then there is probably 20K oil life before the ZDP is catostrophically depleted....not that you would want to go there...but reason why many people are successful in running those change intervals.

There are entire SAE papers written on the GM oil life monitor and one could write a book on it so it is hard to touch on all aspects of it in a single post. Hopefully we hit the high spots. Realize that a GREAT deal of time, work and energy went into developing the oil life monitor and it has received acclaim from engineering organizations, petroleum organizations, environmental groups all across the board. It is not some widget invented in a week and tacked onto the car."
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100% divided by 12 months = 8.33% per month. That's the amount your oil life meter (OLM) will go down per month. A car with 0 miles since the last time the OLM was reset would show 0% oil life left 1 year later.

The OLM provides oil change guidance at the end of 1 year or 7500 miles, whichever comes first.
Or sooner, based on your driving characteristics. I generally get down to ~10% in well under a year and around 6500 miles, give or take.
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Originally Posted by bhvrdr
Our OLM is pretty stupid actually (not meant in a derogatory way). Ive yet to see it take anything else into account besides time and mileage.

Be interesting to see anyone post of their OLM ever has told anyone to change it before 1 year or before 7500 miles even if they tracked it for 100 hours or did 500 trips with oil never coming up to temp for a single trip or idled the car for 100 hours.
Read posts 15 and 16. I never get to 1 year or 7500 miles. Guess I drive it harder than some.
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My first oil change was at 500 miles. I am old fashion and have always changed many engines oil at what I call 500 mile brake in.
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Originally Posted by Red Mist Rulz
Read posts 15 and 16. I never get to 1 year or 7500 miles. Guess I drive it harder than some.
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I read post 16 and it's full of misinformation.

Can you post the date of your last oil change and your OLM data? Be interesting to see one actually work like a smart monitor

My car regularly runs 170mph and other times short 1.4 mile trips and my OLM still counts down 7500 miles and 1 year.
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Originally Posted by Red Mist Rulz
Actually, that's not true at all. This was posted on BITOG (Bob is the Oil Guy) forum a number of years ago:
I would submit that cold starts and extended idling consume large amounts of ZDDP or, as the writer refers, ZDP.

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