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Old May 29, 2025 | 09:24 AM
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For the past 6 weeks My Waze is acting up my 2025 ERay. Map (whole screen) freezes, sometimes it will close waze and then works fine after opening waze again and sometime the waze screen is black.
All of this started after I had a new HUD display installed (battery disconnected, maybe a coincidence). I have searched the internet, and it doesn't appear that this is a common issue. any suggestions

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1. Waze and phone have latest updates.
2. I deleted and reinstalled Waze on my phone, all other carplay apps work without issues
3. In the car I forgot the phone and relearned the phone.

I guess I didn't explain it very well the 1st time. My apple maps work great but because of the low crowd sourcing I prefer Waze.

My screen freezes and becomes unresponsive or it just goes Black. Has anyone else had this issue lately?

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Where are you driving at? Waze and GoogleMaps are not true GPS, but gps via cell service, where as traditional GPS is true GPS communicating direct to satellite. Cell systems talk to your phone via 3 cell sites at once, translating your location. The cell provider talks with satellite to provide true gps info. Waze and Google databases use that info and present the mapping. Your phone only talks to cell sites, as does Onstar as well. If you lose cell service for any reason you may lose mapping if the buffer delay is exceeded. Here in AZ there are many spots throughout the SW where there is no cell service and you lose Waze/Google. When I travel rural here, I use my true GPS on my 2023, but I understand 2024 and greater don't have true GPS any longer.
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Old May 29, 2025 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunny27
For the past 6 weeks My Waze is acting up my 2025 ERay. Map freezes, sometimes it will close waze and then works fine after opening waze again and sometime the waze screen is black.
All of this started after I had a new HUD display installed (battery disconnected, maybe a coincidence). I have searched the internet, and it doesn't appear that this is a common issue. any suggestions

Things I have tried.
1. Waze and phone have latest updates.
2. I deleted and reinstalled Waze on my phone, all other carplay apps work without issues
3. In the car I forgot the phone and relearned the phone.
It's just a question of time! GM now has Google charging ~$30/mo to get NAV. My guess is most of that goes to GM. Or you can pay GM about the same to get OnStar that will show the road speed limit in HUD and or Dash (you can pay more and get more.)

I use a workaround for the road speed limit display and HUD, WAZE for NAV. My workaround does NOT give you Google or OnStar NAV that shows in HUD.

BUT WAZE is owned by Google! As soon as Google can make more selling your WAZE location info to GM and other car manufacturers than whoever they sell it to now there it goes!

Mary Barra told stockholders they plan on making ~25 Billion in revenue in 2030 from FEES! She has hired VPs from companies who have a proven record of extracting monthly fees from what was a one time buy (folks like Adobe who bought the Dreamweaver my Website software I use and OWN the last disk available ~15 years old.) If I want the latest and greatest Dreamweaver have to pay a fee to Adobe for whatever they bundle it with like PDF Merge etc. About the same for QuickBooks I use for my part time business. To get the latest I need to pay a monthly fee. Getting along with what i bought as a one time download ownership a number of years ago.

Blame all the Yong folks who have no issue paying for Spotify, Netflix, Apple etc etc monthly fees!

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Originally Posted by gliot1
Where are you driving at? Waze and GoogleMaps are not true GPS, but gps via cell service, where as traditional GPS is true GPS communicating direct to satellite. Cell systems talk to your phone via 3 cell sites at once, translating your location. The cell provider talks with satellite to provide true gps info. Waze and Google databases use that info and present the mapping. Your phone only talks to cell sites, as does Onstar as well. If you lose cell service for any reason you may lose mapping if the buffer delay is exceeded. Here in AZ there are many spots throughout the SW where there is no cell service and you lose Waze/Google. When I travel rural here, I use my true GPS on my 2023, but I understand 2024 and greater don't have true GPS any longer.
You've posted that before but it isn't true. The vast majority of smartphones have built-in GPS receivers. They use cell towers for location enhancement but aren't necessary. I have used my phone many times without any signal from cell towers. If you don't believe it you can download an app that that will actually tell you the signal strength of each satellite signal it is receiving.

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I guess I didn't explain it very well.

My screen freezes and becomes unresponsive or it just goes Black. Has anyone else had this issue lately?
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Old May 29, 2025 | 12:28 PM
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If you are unable to find a solution to these Waze concerns, it is best to take your Corvette to a Chevrolet dealership for a diagnosis. As they are the experts with all GM vehicles, they will be the best source for assistance. Should you need help connecting with one in your area, feel free to email us at socialmedia@gm.com with your Username and Forum title in the subject line.
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Old May 29, 2025 | 12:29 PM
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No issues, but I have a 2024 Stingray. You mentioned your app is updated. Does your C8 have the latest update from GM?
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Old May 29, 2025 | 12:38 PM
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You haven't explicitly stated it but I'm assuming you're using CarPlay and not the built-in Android Automotive OS to run Waze. Have you tried downloading and installing Waze in the infotainment system and using Waze natively?
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Originally Posted by gliot1
Where are you driving at? Waze and GoogleMaps are not true GPS, but gps via cell service, where as traditional GPS is true GPS communicating direct to satellite. Cell systems talk to your phone via 3 cell sites at once, translating your location. The cell provider talks with satellite to provide true gps info. Waze and Google databases use that info and present the mapping. Your phone only talks to cell sites, as does Onstar as well. If you lose cell service for any reason you may lose mapping if the buffer delay is exceeded. Here in AZ there are many spots throughout the SW where there is no cell service and you lose Waze/Google. When I travel rural here, I use my true GPS on my 2023, but I understand 2024 and greater don't have true GPS any longer.
Guess all 39 satellites are a figment of my imagination...

*Edit* before armchair googlers say something.. this is GPS + GNSS which is why I'm seeing more than the 31 US GPS satellites.


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Old May 29, 2025 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RKCRLR
You've posted that before but it isn't true. The vast majority of smartphones have built-in GPS receivers. They use cell towers for location enhancement but aren't necessary. I have used my phone many times without any signal from cell towers. If you don't believe it you can download an app that that will actually tell you the signal strength of each satellite signal it is receiving.

https://www.onxmaps.com/hunt/blog/do...k-without-data
Cell phones do not communicate directly with satellites typically. Iridium phones did but were too expensive to do so and are really non existent now. Starlink is currently engineering a new cost effective system allowing direct communication via satellite. Cell phones can uplink/downlink via LTE for limited communication, but again LTE relies on cell service. Those who still do not have LTE will have limited satellite communication. Most all phones still rely on the cell site to do the direct satellite communication. In affect you have satellite communication, but it still relies on the cell site. I worked for years in private radio systems for the largest two way radio company in US and our radios worked almost identical to cell phones (the technology came out of radio technology of which we invented). We had no capability of our radios to communicate direct to satellite. We could push to talk even around the world, but signals transmit from radio to tower to satellite to backend tower to radio. We also positioned by tower to radio.

Now beyond this, Waze and Google rely on databases provided by cell service, not by satellite direct to phone. Due to this, if you lose cell service you have lost the database access and most all forms of direct gps communication, thus you freeze. I can take anyone on rides in rural AZ, NM, and NV to show you as there are loads of dead spots in wide open areas., due to no cell sites. If cell phones communicated direct to satellite to uplink/downlink. you would not lose Waze or Google service in remote desert areas if communicating direct with satellite. They have some very limited communication.The GM or other direct gps units still work, as they are designed to operate with local loaded databases with direct positioning. In fact Iridium phones had to be in wide open areas as you must have direct line of sight to a satellite to use it to communicate. Most all RF satellite included works by line of sight in fact.

Try using your cell phone or Waze or GMaps on a cruise ship miles off shore without buying cell service from the ship. There are no cell s8ghts on the water. Good luck.

I am out on this discussion. Good luck with Waze and GMaps working in cell deprived areas.

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Originally Posted by gliot1
Cell phones do not communicate directly with satellites typically. Iridium phones did but were too expensive to do so and are really non existent now. Starlink is currently engineering a new cost effective system allowing direct communication via satellite. Cell phones can uplink/downlink via LTE for limited communication, but again LTE relies on cell service. Those who still do not have LTE will have limited satellite communication. Most all phones still rely on the cell site to do the direct satellite communication. In affect you have satellite communication, but it still relies on the cell site. I worked for years in private radio systems for the largest two way radio company in US and our radios worked almost identical to cell phones (the technology came out of radio technology of which we invented). We had no capability of our radios to communicate direct to satellite. We could push to talk even around the world, but signals transmit from radio to tower to satellite to backend tower to radio. We also positioned by tower to radio.

Now beyond this, Waze and Google rely on databases provided by cell service, not by satellite direct to phone. Due to this, if you lose cell service you have lost the database access and most all forms of direct gps communication, thus you freeze. I can take anyone on rides in rural AZ, NM, and NV to show you as there are loads of dead spots in wide open areas., due to no cell sites. If cell phones communicated direct to satellite to uplink/downlink. you would not lose Waze or Google service in remote desert areas if communicating direct with satellite. They have some very limited communication.The GM or other direct gps units still work, as they are designed to operate with local loaded databases with direct positioning. In fact Iridium phones had to be in wide open areas as you must have direct line of sight to a satellite to use it to communicate. Most all RF satellite included works by line of sight in fact.

I am out on this discussion. Good luck with Waze and GMaps working in cell deprived areas.
Still wrong about cell phones and satellite communication. Here is my connection to satellites with my cell radio disabled and not on WiFi.



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Still wrong about cell phones and satellite communication. Here is my connection to satellites with my cell radio disabled and not on WiFi.


Now try running Waze or GMaps in airplane mode and see how well it works. In fact try doing anything and see how it works. I could care less about a limited cell phone utility. The discussion is why is Waze halting. Good luck traveling remotely with that utility.

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Now try running Waze or GMaps in airplane mode and see how well it works. In fact try doing anything and see how it works. I could care less about a limited cell phone utility. The discussion is why is Waze halting. Good luck traveling remotely with that utility.
Like this? Airplane mode, still receiving GPS data




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Originally Posted by gliot1
Cell phones do not communicate directly with satellites typically. Iridium phones did but were too expensive to do so and are really non existent now. Starlink is currently engineering a new cost effective system allowing direct communication via satellite. Cell phones can uplink/downlink via LTE for limited communication, but again LTE relies on cell service. Those who still do not have LTE will have limited satellite communication. Most all phones still rely on the cell site to do the direct satellite communication. In affect you have satellite communication, but it still relies on the cell site. I worked for years in private radio systems for the largest two way radio company in US and our radios worked almost identical to cell phones (the technology came out of radio technology of which we invented). We had no capability of our radios to communicate direct to satellite. We could push to talk even around the world, but signals transmit from radio to tower to satellite to backend tower to radio. We also positioned by tower to radio.

Now beyond this, Waze and Google rely on databases provided by cell service, not by satellite direct to phone. Due to this, if you lose cell service you have lost the database access and most all forms of direct gps communication, thus you freeze. I can take anyone on rides in rural AZ, NM, and NV to show you as there are loads of dead spots in wide open areas., due to no cell sites. If cell phones communicated direct to satellite to uplink/downlink. you would not lose Waze or Google service in remote desert areas if communicating direct with satellite. They have some very limited communication.The GM or other direct gps units still work, as they are designed to operate with local loaded databases with direct positioning. In fact Iridium phones had to be in wide open areas as you must have direct line of sight to a satellite to use it to communicate. Most all RF satellite included works by line of sight in fact.

Try using your cell phone or Waze or GMaps on a cruise ship miles off shore without buying cell service from the ship. There are no cell s8ghts on the water. Good luck.

I am out on this discussion. Good luck with Waze and GMaps working in cell deprived areas.
Cell phones just receive the satellite data, it isn't a 2 way communication. I don't even know if there is such a thing as 2 way communication with GPS satellites other than operational controls. As I said, I have used cell phone for navigation in the middle of nowhere.
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For the past 6 weeks My Waze is acting up my 2025 ERay. Map (whole screen) freezes, sometimes it will close waze and then works fine after opening waze again and sometime the waze screen is black.
All of this started after I had a new HUD display installed (battery disconnected, maybe a coincidence). I have searched the internet, and it doesn't appear that this is a common issue. any suggestions

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1. Waze and phone have latest updates.
2. I deleted and reinstalled Waze on my phone, all other carplay apps work without issues
3. In the car I forgot the phone and relearned the phone.

I guess I didn't explain it very well the 1st time. My apple maps work great but because of the low crowd sourcing I prefer Waze.

My screen freezes and becomes unresponsive or it just goes Black. Has anyone else had this issue lately?

This sounds like an infotainment issue with the car. Does the waze app freeze and have issues if you are just using your phone and not connected to the car? Does it work when connected to another vehicle? We need more info to be able to help.
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Originally Posted by gliot1
Where are you driving at? Waze and GoogleMaps are not true GPS, but gps via cell service, where as traditional GPS is true GPS communicating direct to satellite. Cell systems talk to your phone via 3 cell sites at once, translating your location. The cell provider talks with satellite to provide true gps info. Waze and Google databases use that info and present the mapping. Your phone only talks to cell sites, as does Onstar as well. If you lose cell service for any reason you may lose mapping if the buffer delay is exceeded. Here in AZ there are many spots throughout the SW where there is no cell service and you lose Waze/Google. When I travel rural here, I use my true GPS on my 2023, but I understand 2024 and greater don't have true GPS any longer.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Totally and completely wrong. Every smartphone has a true GPS receiver in it, and gets signals directly from GPS satellites. The only thing it needs cell service for is to download map data in real time.

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Cell phones do not communicate directly with satellites typically. .
Once again you are totally and complete wrong. You can repeat it as many times as you want, but that doesn't make it right. Using the app Here We Go I can get full GPS and navigation support even when there is no cell signal at all.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but even when you install the Waze GPS directly to your infotainment apps, the directions don't show up on your heads up display like the Google Maps do.
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