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I made my doctor daughter put run flats on her F-Type Jaguar. Many times, she operates late, and I didn't want her getting stuck on the side of some back country road in Nashville. She did have to compromise because there were no run flats in that car's sizes. Eased my mind.
The belief that you need run flats. Lately it seems like the crowd here feels like they're an absolute must have, which wasn't the case all that long ago.
I understand why some guys like them, as they can provide some peace of mind when traveling long distances, but they're certainly not the best tire to put under a performance oriented vehicle.
I can count on one hand the times I've suffered a puncture bad enough to stop me in my tracks. That isn't enough for me to justify running run flats. For some guys that's all the reason in the world to run them. It just depends on the guy driving the vehicle.
The belief that you need run flats. Lately it seems like the crowd here feels like they're an absolute must have, which wasn't the case all that long ago.
I understand why some guys like them, as they can provide some peace of mind when traveling long distances, but they're certainly not the best tire to put under a performance oriented vehicle.
I can count on one hand the times I've suffered a puncture bad enough to stop me in my tracks. That isn't enough for me to justify running run flats. For some guys that's all the reason in the world to run them. It just depends on the guy driving the vehicle.
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Switched from runflats to non-runflats on two of the three C5s that I owned. For the C7, went from regular runflats (OEM) to Michelin A/S 3+ ZP tires and love them. Still great handling for how I drive the car. Plus I have no worries about a puncture a ways from a service location. Obviously your risk tolerance may be different.
The belief that you need run flats. Lately it seems like the crowd here feels like they're an absolute must have, which wasn't the case all that long ago.
I understand why some guys like them, as they can provide some peace of mind when traveling long distances, but they're certainly not the best tire to put under a performance oriented vehicle.
I can count on one hand the times I've suffered a puncture bad enough to stop me in my tracks. That isn't enough for me to justify running run flats. For some guys that's all the reason in the world to run them. It just depends on the guy driving the vehicle.
My question was what time frame is "relatively new" because runflats have been around for decades & most of the vehicles I've purchased over the last 20+ years have had them as standard or available.
Re: performance, the high-performance rft tires perform just as well as non-rfts.
Some people have never experienced a tire failure in their years of driving. I have. At all four corners at different times. Not in the Corvette, so far.
We drive all over the country, sometimes off roading on cut, dirt roads going to places like alpaca ranches and remote stargazing locations in Colorado and Nevada and other places as well.
My thought; If your concern is pure performance on a track you should be transporting your prepared car to the track or switching track tires to your driven vehicle at the track.
I am not traveling without the available run flats.
Question for the NON RUN FLAT folks: IF you (or wife, Daughter, son -whats a wife?) gets a flat at 9-10PM on I75 or major highway, its raining and cold. What will you do? What will you do?
I have a different reason for wanting run flat tires, my first car delivered with run fkats was a BMW with sport package. When it came time to get new tires I went with non run flats.
The sport suspension now felt soft and pretty much like a BMW without the sport package.
The car and its suspension are designed for run flat tires with stiffer sidewalls, not the softer sidewalls of non run flats tires.
Since that experience I’ve stuck with the type of tires the suspension was calibrated for.
Also the softer sidewalls of non run flat tires may contribute to a higher incidence of bent rims
Question for the NON RUN FLAT folks: IF you (or wife, Daughter, son -whats a wife?) gets a flat at 9-10PM on I75 or major highway, its raining and cold. What will you do? What will you do?
I have a tire continental kit (compressor with sealant built in ) for my wife and a string plug kit (if I am there) in all our vehs.
I have a tire continental kit (compressor with sealant built in ) for my wife and a string plug kit (if I am there) in all our vehs.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact I carry those items myself. The difference is with the run flat you get a low pressure indicator and you can keep rolling for at least another 50 miles. If it’s at an in opportune time to use the compressor or plug kit you get to a safe area to use your equipment. I had occasion while traveling in Oklahoma to get to a hotel for the night and to a tire dealer the following day to take care of the issue.
Question for the NON RUN FLAT folks: IF you (or wife, Daughter, son -whats a wife?) gets a flat at 9-10PM on I75 or major highway, its raining and cold. What will you do? What will you do?
Originally Posted by Karlba
I have a tire continental kit (compressor with sealant built in ) for my wife and a string plug kit (if I am there) in all our vehs.
And here is the difference. With a runflat you realize there is an issue and you keep driving, you don't have to get out of the car. This was my experience on a freeway overpass, loud bang, pressure went from 30 to 8psi in about 5 seconds, i slowed to 45 and kept driving...
No way I want my wife or kid out on a highway shoulder late at night. Too dangerous.
I have a different reason for wanting run flat tires, my first car delivered with run fkats was a BMW with sport package. When it came time to get new tires I went with non run flats.
The sport suspension now felt soft and pretty much like a BMW without the sport package.
The car and its suspension are designed for run flat tires with stiffer sidewalls, not the softer sidewalls of non run flats tires.
Since that experience I’ve stuck with the type of tires the suspension was calibrated for.
Also the softer sidewalls of non run flat tires may contribute to a higher incidence of bent rims
You've got that a little backwards, the stiffer sidewall may be a contributing factor to bent wheels. If it doesn't absorb the force being transmitted, more force hits the wheel.
I've also owned several BMWs that came with both run flats & non-runflats and swapped them for the other. I've never felt a difference in the suspension tuning going from one to the other. Both non-M with sport pkg, and two M vehicles.
The change in feel could've been due to the tire itself vs any suspension tuning.
I have a tire continental kit (compressor with sealant built in ) for my wife and a string plug kit (if I am there) in all our vehs.
I like to see this operation on I75 rain and dark out. So you pull off side of road, lug wrench, jack, jack up car on pucks if lucky to get level surface, remove tire (very heavy) and then try to remove nail/object. Good luck trying to plug that run flat as its THICK, all at night with rain near the highway. GOOD LUCK !!!!
I had a slow leak last week, now fixed. I was loosing about 2 lbs a week for a couple of weeks before the repair and wanted to be sure that it was indeed a leak and not just a change of weather. After the repair I talked to the guy who fixed (do we call them technicians now?) it. There was a nail about .soooooooooooo long that he took out. He said that 2 lbs a week was not much air to loose and we speculated that the slowness of the decrease was in part because the stiff sidewall of the run flat [reference to topic] didn't allow for the full weight of the car to push all the air out as would/could have happened otherwise.
Question for the NON RUN FLAT folks: IF you (or wife, Daughter, son -whats a wife?) gets a flat at 9-10PM on I75 or major highway, its raining and cold. What will you do? What will you do?
Happened to my wife a few years ago in her BMW with run-flats. On the 405 freeway here in Los Angeles at 9pm, about 60 miles from home. Hit a pipe that took a thumb-sized chunk out of the tire. She called me from the road asking what to do. I told her to get in the right lane and drive home at 50 mph. She did so and all was well. Sealant would not have worked on the tire given the size of the hole.
For street use I am most definitely staying with the run-flats. Maybe I'd switch to conventional tires if I tracked the car, though.
No run flats for me. This mindset that you need run flats is relatively new, and quite frankly I find it amusing.
Other than some slow leaks in the C8 that I drove to the repair shop....I have had no flats in 70 years and several million miles of driving ...... the only vehicle I have with a spare is a 1999 Silverado with 200k miles on it and the spare is original and untouched ......
Other than some slow leaks in the C8 that I drove to the repair shop....I have had no flats in 70 years and several million miles of driving ...... the only vehicle I have with a spare is a 1999 Silverado with 200k miles on it and the spare is original and untouched ......
Some of us are lucky (I'm not one of them). I'd rather be lucky than good.
Question for the NON RUN FLAT folks: IF you (or wife, Daughter, son -whats a wife?) gets a flat at 9-10PM on I75 or major highway, its raining and cold. What will you do? What will you do?
The same thing I would do in the case of a wreck or mechanical/electrical breakdown, start dialing. That is not to say that it wouldn't be nice not to have to be concerned about flats, just saying that flats aren't the only reason for an emergency plan. If I was truly scared for a loved one on the road I would try to encourage them to select a vehicle based on reliability instead of performance.
Originally Posted by McBeef
So... the corvette team at GM got it wrong?
It is probably fair to say that there were several considerations involved in tire selection and they attempted to select the best compromise.