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Old Jul 19, 2023 | 03:45 PM
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I stopped at the dealer today and talked to them about a transmission flush and filter and price. After arguing with the service writer for 10 minutes she finally got the service manager. He told me that there are 2 different transmissions in the C8 a standard one (nonZ51) and a heavy-duty one (Z51). He also told me that the standard one couldn't be flushed only the heavy duty one and that now GM says the transmission needs a fluid and filter change every 7500 miles. I told him I thought he was wrong about not being able to flush the standard unit (had never heard there were 2 variations) and he should look into it. Can anyone verify any of this?
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I stopped at the dealer today and talked to them about a transmission flush and filter and price. After arguing with the service writer for 10 minutes she finally got the service manager. He told me that there are 2 different transmissions in the C8 a standard one (nonZ51) and a heavy-duty one (Z51). He also told me that the standard one couldn't be flushed only the heavy duty one and that now GM says the transmission needs a fluid and filter change every 7500 miles. I told him I thought he was wrong about not being able to flush the standard unit (had never heard there were 2 variations) and he should look into it. Can anyone verify any of this?
The DCT filter change intervals are in the owner's manual. I'd direct your dealership to it.

The DCT filter change procedure which includes the valve flush (not to be confused with a transmission fluid flush) is available in the dealership servicing procedure. Id direct them to that.

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The DCT filter change intervals are in the owner's manual. I'd direct your dealership to it.

The DCT filter change procedure which includes the valve flush (not to be confused with a transmission fluid flush) is available in the dealership servicing procedure. Id direct them to that.
With the problems that are starting to appear on the transmission along with the fact that there is an updated transmission now it wouldn't surprise me if the service intervals of the transmission might have changed and is not in a 3 year old owners manual. It wouldn't be the first time. But I will definitely have them look at the service procedures again. Thanks!
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Old Jul 19, 2023 | 04:29 PM
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Having said all of this, I wouldn’t let that particular dealer touch my car. Sounds like they have little knowledge regarding the transmission service.
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Having said all of this, I wouldn’t let that particular dealer touch my car. Sounds like they have little knowledge regarding the transmission service.
lol, I hear that! It's hard to trust anyone these days about anything, at least that's been my experience lately. Thinking about just doing it myself except I wouldn't be able to perform the flush. Assuming there is one for a non Z51 which my gut tells me there is and the service manager doesn't know ****.
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With the problems that are starting to appear on the transmission along with the fact that there is an updated transmission now it wouldn't surprise me if the service intervals of the transmission might have changed and is not in a 3 year old owners manual. It wouldn't be the first time. But I will definitely have them look at the service procedures again. Thanks!

The owner's manuals are available online. ...they are immediately updatable and you can look at all years as well.

What doesn't surprise me is that your dealership is providing completely false information.


That's why I always suggest that you ask them to reference the actual documents.


You'll find that they quickly either go silent or start to change their story.
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Originally Posted by NonZ51Mark
I stopped at the dealer today and talked to them about a transmission flush and filter and price. After arguing with the service writer for 10 minutes she finally got the service manager. He told me that there are 2 different transmissions in the C8 a standard one (nonZ51) and a heavy-duty one (Z51). He also told me that the standard one couldn't be flushed only the heavy duty one and that now GM says the transmission needs a fluid and filter change every 7500 miles. I told him I thought he was wrong about not being able to flush the standard unit (had never heard there were 2 variations) and he should look into it. Can anyone verify any of this?
Well the Z51 is a electronic limited slip and the non Z51 isn't. Yes they are different plus the gearing is different. You can't easily put a non Z51 transmission in a Z51 without a lot of work.
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Well the Z51 is a electronic limited slip and the non Z51 isn't. Yes they are different plus the gearing is different. You can't easily put a non Z51 transmission in a Z51 without a lot of work.
Thanks for your input. I knew the Z51 and nonZ51 had different differentials but didn't realize that the trans and differential was one unit. Maybe the mechanical limited slip unit doesn't have an electronic flush feature. More investigation will clear things up.
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Your dealer is staffed by morons. Go somewhere else and never go back.
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Thanks for your input. I knew the Z51 and nonZ51 had different differentials but didn't realize that the trans and differential was one unit. Maybe the mechanical limited slip unit doesn't have an electronic flush feature. More investigation will clear things up.
They aren't. The final drive is different not the grears.


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Thanks for your input. I knew the Z51 and nonZ51 had different differentials but didn't realize that the trans and differential was one unit. Maybe the mechanical limited slip unit doesn't have an electronic flush feature. More investigation will clear things up.
The hydraulic system flush procedure does not include any caveats with respect to Z51 or non Z51 transmission. Typically when a different procedure is required depending on the options, the procedures will include that information right in the procedure name, such as different replacement procedures for replacement of Z51 and non-Z51 brake pads. The service manual also lists the valves in the transmission and also "transmission service cleaning procedures" for those valves. From that list, it appears that those procedures apply to both transmission, with the exception of the "Limited Slip Differential Clutch Hydraulic Control System Cleaning Procedure" which addresses valves 7 and 8. Those valves may have something to do with controlling the eLSD. The Z51 transmission is not referred to as the "heavy duty" transmission in any of the gm material that I have seen. I notice you mentioned that you did not know that the unit is a "transaxle". If you enjoy looking in to that sort of thing, here are two links about the transmission that you will find interesting.

https://www.tremec.com/anexos/Litera...R-9080.DCT.pdf
https://www.tremec.com/anexos/SAE_In...ansmission.pdf
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