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Old Oct 10, 2023 | 05:08 PM
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Anyone know why you can't use DOT-5+ is it because of the brake lines won't hold at that higher temp?


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Old Oct 10, 2023 | 05:09 PM
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You can use a pressure bleeder, don’t use a vacuum bleeder. It will cause issues. Google it.
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Originally Posted by c5racr1
You can use a pressure bleeder, don’t use a vacuum bleeder. It will cause issues. Google it.
I believe it, but still not sure why. Since the fluid is incompressible it shouldn't matter that the outlet pressure is negative to atmosphere versus a positive inlet pressure to atmosphere with the pressure bleeder. Guess I need to google...

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... unless the problem is due to the tiny bit of compliance in the plumbing???
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In general vacuum is bad. This goes back to drum brakes which had lip seals (cups) in the wheel cylinders. The lip seals will only seal in one direction. The system is designed to be under pressure not vacuum. 5psi should be adequate to pressure bleed with an open-air bleeder. The commercial units have a bladder that separates the pressurized air from the fluid and may require a higher pressure.



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I believe it, but still not sure why. Since the fluid is incompressible it shouldn't matter that the outlet pressure is negative to atmosphere versus a positive inlet pressure to atmosphere with the pressure bleeder. Guess I need to google...
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Old Oct 11, 2023 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrPayDay
Anyone know why you can't use DOT-5+ is it because of the brake lines won't hold at that higher temp?
DOT 5 is silicone-based while DOT 3, 4 and 5.1 are glycol-based. The two are not compatible.
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Can someone confirm that the side of their brake fluid reservoir has NO indentations on the driver side like the ones in my picture above?

I was at the dealer yesterday and they were were pretty dismissive and basically accused me of making those indentation / punctures to the side of the reservoir. ("Did YOU try to use a universal cap on it????")
Not at all lady, and I showed them the cap that I tried to use with the motive system that wouldn't seal, showed them the damage to the filler neck of the reservoir. Neither of the caps I used could produce either of the areas that are damaged on my car.



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Originally Posted by Drew888
In general vacuum is bad. This goes back to drum brakes which had lip seals (cups) in the wheel cylinders. The lip seals will only seal in one direction. The system is designed to be under pressure not vacuum. 5psi should be adequate to pressure bleed with an open-air bleeder. The commercial units have a bladder that separates the pressurized air from the fluid and may require a higher pressure.
Yea, also the bleeders itself will sometimes let air back in. Get these Stahlbus plugs that prevents air from going back in the system from the calipers. https://www.stahlbus-us.com/bleeding...-standardtype/
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