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Old Sep 4, 2025 | 10:47 AM
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That is very true, and I have considered the ERay over a Z06. However, my Vette is a daily and use the frunk to often. I know poor me and my first world problems…
I have seen that comment before. BUT there is essentially NO difference in Frunk Room! The electric motor is behind the Frunk recess. So the very bottom of the Frunk lower section is less than 1 inch shorter. The whole upper area is identical. BTW, the E-Ray is my 7th Vette and ALL DDs. I have found in addition to the added acceleration with stored otherwise wasted braking energy (I use often) that AWD makes it an even better DD. Handles great even in heavy Rain.


Pic is the Jack Matt designed for a Base C8 in an E-Ray Frunk. The bottom recess is less than an inch smaller. The Jake Logo liner does not fit perfectly. I use the Frunk as I did in my 2020 C8. Same tool bag fits in bottom recess and groceries fit fine.


Pic of my E-Ray Frunk. Essentially the same as my 2020 C8 Z51 Frunk.


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Old Sep 4, 2025 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
Z06 won't give you the torque though. If you're just comparing a pure SC SR to an upscale OEM vette, the ER is really the best comparison.
Here we go again with the false myths...


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Old Sep 4, 2025 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JerryU
I have seen that comment before. BUT there is essentially NO difference in Frunk Room! The electric motor is behind the Frunk recess. So the very bottom of the Frunk lower section is less than 1 inch shorter. The whole upper area is identical. BTW, the E-Ray is my 7th Vette and ALL DDs. I have found in addition to the added acceleration with stored otherwise wasted braking energy (I use often) that AWD makes it an even better DD. Handles great even in heavy Rain.


Pic is the Jack Matt designed for a Base C8 in an E-Ray Frunk. The bottom recess is less than an inch smaller. The Jake Logo liner does not fit perfectly. I use the Frunk as I did in my 2020 C8. Same tool bag fits in bottom recess and groceries fit fine.


Pic of my E-Ray Frunk. Essentially the same as my 2020 C8 Z51 Frunk.
well it’s clear I’m talking out of *** regarding the ERay frunk! For some reason I assumed the E motor took up the entire frunk space. I guess I am now in the market for an ERay.
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Old Sep 4, 2025 | 11:34 AM
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well it’s clear I’m talking out of *** regarding the ERay frunk! For some reason I assumed the E motor took up the entire frunk space. I guess I am now in the market for an ERay.
Yep, we all thought it would take more room. In fact hard to see anything including the motor unless you look from underneath the car AFTER you remove the aero panels. Frew would every see. BUT this is a great video by Ken who took his E-Ray apart to show where all parts are located. Apparently a Corvette tech who has a Youtube channel. Worth a look. It appears he was defining for hiself where all parts were and how he would servcie. In my case hopefully not much needed and if so dealer tech can handle!




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From a magazine article. The EV motor is small and sits very low. Below and to the back of the Frunk.
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Originally Posted by cmck0916
Here we go again with the false myths...

C7Z never came up. It was a comparison of SR with FI vs a Z06 or ER. And every chart of the ER vs. Z06 shows that the ER is making more torque up until the ER's redline (where the Z finally starts to pass it).
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Originally Posted by 3LZR21U
C7Z never came up. It was a comparison of SR with FI vs a Z06 or ER. And every chart of the ER vs. Z06 shows that the ER is making more torque up until the ER's redline (where the Z finally starts to pass it).
Yep, these graphs by Paragon say it all. If you keep the Z06 revs past ~6000 it has more torque. If tracking can do. On the street silly.

Also on Street Pavement the early Hagerty 1/4 mile test showed the E-Ray jumped a C8 Z06 a car length or more. Hard to make that up. In the traps the Z06 was till 0.01 seconds behind. Fact is can't get 670 hp to the ground at Launch. The AWD E-Ray does it easily with FWD Traction at its max torque at zero rpm and only 495 RW power on 345 tires.

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Yep, these graphs by Paragon say it all. If you keep the Z06 revs past ~6000 it has more torque. If tracking can do. On the street silly.

Also on Street Pavement the early Hagerty 1/4 mile test showed the E-Ray jumped a C8 Z06 a car length or more. Hard to make that up. In the traps the Z06 was till 0.01 seconds behind. Fact is can't get 670 hp to the ground at Launch. The AWD E-Ray does it easily with FWD Traction at its max torque at zero rpm and only 495 RW power on 345 tires.

SR 437 to the wheels makes me sad… But great launch control and mid engine rear traction does compensate. Just seems under powered for this day and age at the price point.

The marketing, and Vette owners quoting 500 hp is what bothers me the most I think.

The ERay is definitely the best bang for the buck. I’ve been spying a new 25 2LZ for 108k at the local dealer. But don’t think I will end up pulling the trigger.

To bring it back on topic. Power to weight, while important isn’t everything. It’s how the power train puts it down.



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SR 437 to the wheels makes me sad… But great launch control and mid engine rear traction does compensate. Just seems under powered for this day and age at the price point.

The marketing, and Vette owners quoting 500 hp is what bothers me the most I think.

The ERay is definitely the best bang for the buck. I’ve been spying a new 25 2LZ for 108k at the local dealer. But don’t think I will end up pulling the trigger.

To bring it back on topic. Power to weight, while important isn’t everything. It’s how the power train puts it down.
Yep the ProStreet Rod I built in 2000 versus my E-Ray proves it to me!

Built my ProStreet Rod for fast acceleration. Having many small blocks, including my early Vettes, decided time for a Big Block when I retired in 2000. So picked a very rigid TCI Tubbed chassis so I could fit 16.5 section width Mickey Thomson tires. Ordered the chassis with a set-back engine mounts and adjustable 4 bar link rear suspension with adjustable coilovers to balance right and left tire loads at launch. The body a custom made fiberglass chopped '34 Ford Sedan. Seats are moved back to accommodate the set-back engine. No room for a rear seat. The car weights 3000 lbs with 53% on the rear wheels. Have the Instant Center in front of the car for max weight transfer at launch. The engine is a GM ZZ502 crate motor with 502 cid and 502 hp. Bit more with the Sanderson Long tube Headers and 850 Double Pumper Holley carb I added. The engine has a forged crank, piston and rods. The aluminum heads and manifold are CNC Port matched (actually supplied to GM from Edlebrock.) The race prepared TH400 with a high stall torque converter can Launch at 2600 rpm with 525 ft-lbs of torque, close to the Max. With everything set perfectly the Launch is great BUT not as fast as the E-Ray. Cannot match the E-Ray 0 to 60 times! Tough to match FWD Traction!




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