Notices
C8 Z06 Discussion General Z06 Corvette Discussion, Technical Info, Performance Upgrades, Suspension Setup for Street or Track
Sponsored By:
Sponsored By: Wheel Designers

GM GT3 Program

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 10, 2021 | 04:39 PM
  #1  
Kodiak Bear's Avatar
Kodiak Bear
Thread Starter
Drifting
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,274
Likes: 719
Default GM GT3 Program

https://us.motorsport.com/imsa/news/...3-gtd/5667921/

Klauser, . . . suggested racing will remain part of the C8.R’s future, but the precise form it will take from next year is still being mulled over at GM’s top level.
“There’s quite a bit of re-engineering to do to turn a car from GT Le Mans class into GT Daytona class,”
“The other big thing is, it’s quite a different mentality to go down a customer platform route with a GT3 car than when you build a GTE car that you know is going to be factory-built and -run.
“You have to pull a lot of cost out of something that you designed to be factory-run to make it affordable for the customer.
“So one of the things that we’ve had to look at when trying to figure out where we want to race is the fact that if we go GT3 racing with Corvette, to use the racecar we have today would involve a huge tear-up.
We’re likely looking at cutting the car’s cost in half and moving forward from there.
So it’s no small feat and, to be honest, I see it as likely being a brand new program; you’re not totally starting from scratch… but really you are!”
“The program team is all-in when it comes to us campaigning the car on the racetrack, they’re all into the idea of building the production car and the racecar side by side.


One thing not mentioned in the article is that a customer available GT3 car with the DOHC flat plane engine solves the problem of production engine qualification WITHOUT using the engine in other cars. Only need to build and sell 300 GT3 cars. Purchase price?

Last edited by Kodiak Bear; Mar 10, 2021 at 05:01 PM.
Reply

Popular Reply

Mar 11, 2021, 06:45 PM
z28lt1's Avatar
z28lt1
Safety Car
Supporting Lifetime
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,029
Likes: 2,598
From: Northern VA, USA
Default

Originally Posted by MitchAlsup
About $150,000-$200,000.
A Corvette GT3 car is probably $500K+
The Mercedes is about $475k, the Acura is like $560K Plus a mandatory $100k spares package.

The Camaro GT4 car is $260K, and a GT3 car is way more....

Don't think "GT3" like some cars put stickers on their street cars. These are all out race cars.
Old Mar 10, 2021 | 07:13 PM
  #2  
SharkDiverZ06's Avatar
SharkDiverZ06
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,468
Likes: 4,083
From: Colorado
Default

Originally Posted by Kodiak Bear
One thing not mentioned in the article is that a customer available GT3 car with the DOHC flat plane engine solves the problem of production engine qualification WITHOUT using the engine in other cars. Only need to build and sell 300 GT3 cars. Purchase price?
Good! Now they can just put a TT into the new 3,700 lb Z and be done with it.
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2021 | 07:36 PM
  #3  
64drvr's Avatar
64drvr
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,928
Likes: 2,024
From: 200 AGL
St. Jude Donor '15
Default

It would be nice to see gm finally support privateers like every other oem does.
Reply
Old Mar 10, 2021 | 07:38 PM
  #4  
jvp's Avatar
jvp
Tech Contributor
Supporting Lifetime Gold
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 1999
Posts: 10,445
Likes: 4,403
From: Northern VA
"Ask Tadge" Producer
Default

Originally Posted by Kodiak Bear
One thing not mentioned in the article is that a customer available GT3 car with the DOHC flat plane engine solves the problem of production engine qualification WITHOUT using the engine in other cars. Only need to build and sell 300 GT3 cars. Purchase price?
Akin to what they did early in the C5 years, after the hardtop coupe was released. They "built" (heh) some 200 or so hardtop cars for racers to purchase. Mostly un-assembled.

https://www.lsxmag.com/news/in-retro...he-race-track/

Many didn’t know, but from 1999 to 2001 you could buy a Corvette C5 ‘kit car’ straight from GM’s service and parts division; however, there were some drawbacks. The car didn’t come complete, hence “kit car.” Basically, what you got was a C5 chassis, motor, drivetrain, and other necessities, with the details left to the buyer to sort out. Due to some logistical problems, customers didn’t get their body panels until a few weeks after ordering the car.
Perhaps something similar for this generation?
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 12:48 AM
  #5  
z06801's Avatar
z06801
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,532
Likes: 365
From: NSL UT
Default

Originally Posted by lrobe22
It would be nice to see gm finally support privateers like every other oem does.
I agree and I think the GTD class would be a great place to showcase the car amongst other sports cars would elevate the Corvette in the public eye. Would love to pick one up from a private team eventually to run in STU
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 03:35 PM
  #6  
z28lt1's Avatar
z28lt1
Safety Car
Supporting Lifetime
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,029
Likes: 2,598
From: Northern VA, USA
Default

Originally Posted by lrobe22
It would be nice to see gm finally support privateers like every other oem does.
As a correction, it is more accurate to finally see support from Corvette (instead of saying GM). Caddy is the only customer DPI program. The Camaro GT.4 is entirely a customer program.

And Corvette isn't totally unsupported (although not supported like many others). Corvette selected Callaway to build and run their C7 GT3 program, and you could have purchased one for years now -- and even run it in GTD. But that wasn't really GM support, just an outsourced GT3 program. They also sold a handful of GTE cars to customers that were run in ALMS and Le Mans, but no one seems to be running those anymore.

I've also responded to the OP in the other thread that it was posted in, because there are some inaccuracies there.

Last edited by z28lt1; Mar 11, 2021 at 03:36 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 03:50 PM
  #7  
MitchAlsup's Avatar
MitchAlsup
Le Mans Master
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 5,529
Likes: 1,943
From: Austin Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Kodiak Bear
One thing not mentioned in the article is that a customer available GT3 car with the DOHC flat plane engine solves the problem of production engine qualification WITHOUT using the engine in other cars. Only need to build and sell 300 GT3 cars. Purchase price?
About $150,000-$200,000.
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 04:16 PM
  #8  
z06801's Avatar
z06801
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,532
Likes: 365
From: NSL UT
Default

Originally Posted by MitchAlsup
About $150,000-$200,000.
Probably double that number. 300k to 400k
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-7

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-9

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 05:08 PM
  #9  
jcp911s's Avatar
jcp911s
Melting Slicks
10 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Top Answer: 5
 
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,598
Likes: 1,593
Default

If you follow racing long enough, you realize that its a sucker's game.... the rules change all the time... the sanctioning bodied want to get manufacturers involved ($$$$$) and then realize that whoever spends the most money wins, and everyone else drops out, so they re-jig the rules to keep the losers competitive, and everybody gets fed up, and and they invent a new "formula"..... and on and on...

I've loved racing since I was a kid, and raced cars for over a decade, and its in my blood.... but it's still a sucker's game....
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 06:45 PM
  #10  
z28lt1's Avatar
z28lt1
Safety Car
Supporting Lifetime
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,029
Likes: 2,598
From: Northern VA, USA
Default

Originally Posted by MitchAlsup
About $150,000-$200,000.
A Corvette GT3 car is probably $500K+
The Mercedes is about $475k, the Acura is like $560K Plus a mandatory $100k spares package.

The Camaro GT4 car is $260K, and a GT3 car is way more....

Don't think "GT3" like some cars put stickers on their street cars. These are all out race cars.

Last edited by z28lt1; Mar 11, 2021 at 06:46 PM.
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 08:18 PM
  #11  
Racingswh's Avatar
Racingswh
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,083
Likes: 1,230
From: Chalfont PA
Default

Originally Posted by z28lt1
A Corvette GT3 car is probably $500K+
The Mercedes is about $475k, the Acura is like $560K Plus a mandatory $100k spares package.

The Camaro GT4 car is $260K, and a GT3 car is way more....

Don't think "GT3" like some cars put stickers on their street cars. These are all out race cars.
I had no idea they were that expensive. Over 600k for the Ferrari too. Damn. Way more than I expected for the Camaro as well. Thanks for that info.

Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 09:00 PM
  #12  
MitchAlsup's Avatar
MitchAlsup
Le Mans Master
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 5,529
Likes: 1,943
From: Austin Texas
Default

Why are streetable Porsche GT3s going for $160-$180.........

Yes, I know making a race car from a streetable GT3 at least doubles the total investment.
Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 09:02 PM
  #13  
jcp911s's Avatar
jcp911s
Melting Slicks
10 Year Member
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Top Answer: 5
 
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,598
Likes: 1,593
Default

Hello...if you race in a higher end "Amateur" race series, like PCA, ... and be competitive to win, or at least consistently podium in a competitive class...

Here's the numbers.... $40-100K for the car, $20K for set-up... bare-bones, $5K per weekend for expense if you do all your wrenching yourself, but go to $8-10K for a full "arrive and drive"..(which you need to do BTW).... not including any misfortune, like a trip into a tire wall, or blown-up engine... put some $00,000 on that, (and holds the onions). That's Howdy Doody racing, there friends....

Doing an IMSA race, if you can't **** 6 figures out your ***, don't knock on the door....


Reply
Old Mar 11, 2021 | 11:29 PM
  #14  
Telepierre's Avatar
Telepierre
Le Mans Master
Supporting Lifetime
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,000
Likes: 2,261
Default

Originally Posted by z28lt1
A Corvette GT3 car is probably $500K+
The Mercedes is about $475k, the Acura is like $560K Plus a mandatory $100k spares package.

The Camaro GT4 car is $260K, and a GT3 car is way more....

Don't think "GT3" like some cars put stickers on their street cars. These are all out race cars.
Originally Posted by Racingswh
I had no idea they were that expensive. Over 600k for the Ferrari too. Damn. Way more than I expected for the Camaro as well. Thanks for that info.
I think Z28 is posting realistic cost numbers and the interesting thing is (the suckers mention in previous post) that existing programs are targeting an aspiring demographic versus the expert demographic. I think OEMs figured out there is more money in pulling in aspiring young Dad's kids than making this a affordable and approachable program. Personally I am all for it if the GT3 program is targeted and a self sufficient program, but for me the problem would start when they start passing costs to the commercial offerings.
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 05:17 AM
  #15  
Robert R1's Avatar
Robert R1
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 962
Likes: 187
Default

Originally Posted by jvp
Akin to what they did early in the C5 years, after the hardtop coupe was released. They "built" (heh) some 200 or so hardtop cars for racers to purchase. Mostly un-assembled.

https://www.lsxmag.com/news/in-retro...he-race-track/



Perhaps something similar for this generation?
GT3 AM customers are high networth individuals looking to live out their fantasy and want an experience to go along with it. Program will be DOA if they try this approach. They've been around racing long enough to know how appeal to the GT3 market.

Last edited by Robert R1; Mar 13, 2021 at 01:26 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 05:20 AM
  #16  
Robert R1's Avatar
Robert R1
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 962
Likes: 187
Default

Originally Posted by Racingswh
I had no idea they were that expensive. Over 600k for the Ferrari too. Damn. Way more than I expected for the Camaro as well. Thanks for that info.
GT4 class is much closer to their street homologated variants than GT3. That's reflected in the price as well.
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 08:14 AM
  #17  
vettesweetnos's Avatar
vettesweetnos
Drifting
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,557
Likes: 1,275
From: EV is like bad sex with no moaning
Default

Mustang GT4 is $225k. Corvette GT3 would be 450k probably.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To GM GT3 Program

Old Mar 12, 2021 | 08:16 AM
  #18  
SurfnSun's Avatar
SurfnSun
Team Owner
All Eyes On Me
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 3
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 24,017
Likes: 634
St. Jude Donor '10
Default

https://www.callawaycars.com/homepag...cars-for-sale/

Here's a c7 racecar for sale.
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 09:05 AM
  #19  
64drvr's Avatar
64drvr
Le Mans Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,928
Likes: 2,024
From: 200 AGL
St. Jude Donor '15
Default

Why bother with those race cars when you can buy a C8.R GTLM for $85k new since NCD said the new Z06 is a debadged GTLM?
Reply
Old Mar 12, 2021 | 09:07 AM
  #20  
ZRacerLE's Avatar
ZRacerLE
Melting Slicks
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 3,353
Likes: 3,739
Default

Originally Posted by lrobe22
Why bother with those race cars when you can buy a C8.R GTLM for $85k new since NCD said the new Z06 is a debadged GTLM?
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:59 AM.

story-0
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-1
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-4
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-5
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-7
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE