When does the hybrid appear
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When does the hybrid appear
From all the testing pics is it possible that the hybrid with a low spoiler is in testing along with the high spoiler/wing Z06?
If so, when will the hybrid appear? As the two do not compete for the same buyer market, timing would be driven by manufacturing capacity and the desire to make e car bragging points?
How does the Oct announce date fit in?
Is the hybrid intro an easier development and manufacturing challenge than the Z06?
If so, when will the hybrid appear? As the two do not compete for the same buyer market, timing would be driven by manufacturing capacity and the desire to make e car bragging points?
How does the Oct announce date fit in?
Is the hybrid intro an easier development and manufacturing challenge than the Z06?
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Sadly I agree. That is why I pulled the trigger and ordered my 2022 that was built last Monday. Figure I will drive it a couple of years to wait for the E-Ray. Otherwise I have been driving my 2014 C7 and did not want to put all those miles on it for the next couple of years. And if it comes a year early I won't be as anxious and may just wait for year 2 to buy.
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The alternative is for GM to design and engineer a new ICE C9, which is becoming less and less likely
In any event, I can see C8 running through to 2027 or 2028.
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The fact that the hybrid is testing along side the Z06 makes it more possible to be announce sometime in January or early spring. It is also possible but unlikely it will also be part of the Z06 reveal. GM as well as all the other car manufactures are going more and more towards electrification. One scenario the Z06 is FPC with TT and the Hybrid/E-RAY is FPC NA with electric motors. As October 26 approaches maybe will get more leaks or spy photos,
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GM certainly has the option of offering the E-RAY as one of the Z06 variants which will put it on par with the exotics.
The other option is to market it as a supper hybrid, with focus on making it a very aggressive AWD capable of 700+ hp, with a couple of new generation electric motors producing 100 to 150 hp each.
Anything else that has much less capability will fail and GM electric push into the market will suffer greatly.
We know the upcoming Hummer is full electric and pushing 1000hp, then the E-RAY better shine once introduce.
The other option is to market it as a supper hybrid, with focus on making it a very aggressive AWD capable of 700+ hp, with a couple of new generation electric motors producing 100 to 150 hp each.
Anything else that has much less capability will fail and GM electric push into the market will suffer greatly.
We know the upcoming Hummer is full electric and pushing 1000hp, then the E-RAY better shine once introduce.
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The hybrid has got to be an easier build and development than the FPC DOHC engine intro. IMO GM can pull the rigger on the hybrid anytime the market and GM PR/marketing wants. Also, the hybrid will be a bigger competition for the current C8 customer than the high performance version what ever it is. There's the GM problem, get the PR from the hybrid or sell as many C8s as possible and then intro the hybrid
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I'd guess 2024 model year for the hybrid. I can see a scenario where they might want both the hybrid and Z06 for the 70th annivery model year, but they'd have to stagger them appropriately for attention (i.e. Z06 in October '21 and E-Ray at April '22 Bash). Plus their going to be full speed getting production sorted out.
Makes more sense for the first variant (Z06) be introduced in 2023, with 70th anniversary model guise for Stingray and Z06, and then E-Ray in 2024, ZR1 in 2025/6, etc.
Makes more sense for the first variant (Z06) be introduced in 2023, with 70th anniversary model guise for Stingray and Z06, and then E-Ray in 2024, ZR1 in 2025/6, etc.
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I don't see GM coming up with name changes that interferes with the history of the most impressive GM brand car called the Corvette. On the 26th of Oct we will see the ZO6. The so-called E-ray I think will be the Grand Sport & it will follow the pattern that was established previously and as recently as the C6 model & C7 model. The ZO6 came out and then when the sales were slipping, the Grand Sport comes out.
Therefore after the ZO6 we will see in the Summer or fall the reveal of the Grand Sport (E-Ray) not anytime before the Spring, (just my guess). A year after the Grand Sport (E-Ray), we will see the last ICE ZR1 and it will have ZORA markings on it to celebrate his service & history to the Corvette. I absolutely do not think there will be another car after the ZR1 called The Zora. It doesn't match up to history. After all the ZR1 already provides delivery of recognition to Mr. Zora Duntov.
Lastly I am betting that the C8 model is built through 2028 & possibly 2029 depending on the economy for 27-28.
Therefore after the ZO6 we will see in the Summer or fall the reveal of the Grand Sport (E-Ray) not anytime before the Spring, (just my guess). A year after the Grand Sport (E-Ray), we will see the last ICE ZR1 and it will have ZORA markings on it to celebrate his service & history to the Corvette. I absolutely do not think there will be another car after the ZR1 called The Zora. It doesn't match up to history. After all the ZR1 already provides delivery of recognition to Mr. Zora Duntov.
Lastly I am betting that the C8 model is built through 2028 & possibly 2029 depending on the economy for 27-28.
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The C8 hybrid will never be tagged as the Grand Sport, it makes no sense to have a hybrid (gas/electric) and use the Grand Sport name. GM has to use the E-RAY name or hybrid E-RAY to introduce this new model.
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There use to be a concept floating around of a production run of one". The idea being that every item off the line would be unique. To some extent the variety of options does give a lot of chance to order a unique combination BUT it's usually on the cosmetic level. Or simple plug and replace. when you get to the functional level that costs the mfg development time and money.
All of which says variety within basically similar functional items rules
All of which says variety within basically similar functional items rules
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for a compare from the NSX
REAR DIRECT DRIVE MOTOR Direct Drive Motor Type Water-Cooled Motor/Generator Direct Drive Motor Power (hp [kW] @ rpm) 47 (35) @ 3000 Direct Drive Motor, Torque (lb-ft [Nm] @ rpm) 109 (148) @ 500-2000
FRONT TWIN MOTOR UNIT (TMU) TMU Type Twin Traction Motor TMU Power (hp [kW] @ rpm) 36 + 36 (27 + 27) @ 4000 TMU ,Torque (lb-ft [Nm] @ rpm) 54 + 54 (73 + 73) @ 0-2000
Please note the front adds a total of 72 hp from the two e engines. A single GM shown e motor would add 83hp.to the front
The NSX V6 turbo rear unit is shown at (hp @ rpm) 520 @ 6500-6850, Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 443 @ 2300-6000
The push rod 6.2 for Vett is (495 hp @ 6450 rpm.Torque 470 lb-ft @ 5150 rpm.)
The curb weight for the NSX is 3878 lbs
I'm betting GM will not go with the complexity of adding a rear direct drive unit and use only one 83hp on the front. Giving a combined of 578 HP vs the NSX of 600 HP. Got no guess on the curb weight of the Vett
Here's the ringer, Honda defines the combined as "Horsepower and torque figures includes the maximum power of the engine and all motors combined that can be produced at any one time" where as I simply added the Vett figures together so I'm probably off by some amount.
REAR DIRECT DRIVE MOTOR Direct Drive Motor Type Water-Cooled Motor/Generator Direct Drive Motor Power (hp [kW] @ rpm) 47 (35) @ 3000 Direct Drive Motor, Torque (lb-ft [Nm] @ rpm) 109 (148) @ 500-2000
FRONT TWIN MOTOR UNIT (TMU) TMU Type Twin Traction Motor TMU Power (hp [kW] @ rpm) 36 + 36 (27 + 27) @ 4000 TMU ,Torque (lb-ft [Nm] @ rpm) 54 + 54 (73 + 73) @ 0-2000
Please note the front adds a total of 72 hp from the two e engines. A single GM shown e motor would add 83hp.to the front
The NSX V6 turbo rear unit is shown at (hp @ rpm) 520 @ 6500-6850, Torque (lb-ft @ rpm) 443 @ 2300-6000
The push rod 6.2 for Vett is (495 hp @ 6450 rpm.Torque 470 lb-ft @ 5150 rpm.)
The curb weight for the NSX is 3878 lbs
I'm betting GM will not go with the complexity of adding a rear direct drive unit and use only one 83hp on the front. Giving a combined of 578 HP vs the NSX of 600 HP. Got no guess on the curb weight of the Vett
Here's the ringer, Honda defines the combined as "Horsepower and torque figures includes the maximum power of the engine and all motors combined that can be produced at any one time" where as I simply added the Vett figures together so I'm probably off by some amount.
Last edited by Kodiak Bear; Sep 24, 2021 at 06:29 PM.