I can respect that. I've had one turbo car and I personally didn't notice any lag unless I was at very low rpm.

I forgot earlier but I have driven a GT3RS on the track for a few laps, it was very cool but I bet I would've had just as much fun in a GT2RS.

It's nice to hear someone say that as the whole reason I made this thread is because people here seem to be so over the top for NA that it was confusing to me. And I'm relatively of the same opinion only caveat being I wanted more power than an NA engine can give, if it wasn't for that I could care less as well.

 

Agreed. GM gave us a car that will do fine on the street and track.

A claimed 10.6 time (which i believe will run faster anyway) to the C7Z 10.95? Seems faster to me. The C7Z is a handful to control at stock power levels anyway. You need the BEST weather conditions to even try to hook up a stock C7Z. Then you need good tires, the right tire pressures at all time. And you still don't have full confidence on the street. It's a roll racing car and nothing else. If that's what people want, maybe the ERAY or the C8ZR will be the car for them.

I mean what's done is done. GM gave us the z06 we wanted so i'm happy lol

 

It's going to be a 500lb difference both wet. Most people don't and shouldn't care. However, I will mainly track my C8Z, so every little bit lighter counts. It's going to have the same power and only 200lbs less than my Camaro ZL1 1LE track car. Still trading it in for the superior handling, traction, technology, and driving experience of the C8Z.

 

All cars have risen in price, that's why I went ahead and sold my 17 GS. That and because I thought I was getting the C8Z which doesn't seem to be the case now. I was already on the fence because of it being NA and now with the dealer markups I'm passing on it. And you don't think people are buying GT350's because they're relatively affordable vs the GT500? Like half the cost more affordable. I've even considered it, that and a C6Z just to hold me over till a car I really want comes out and let me tell you it has nothing to do with being NA for me with those cars. Maybe just go back to a C7 but a Z06 or ZR1, who knows.

Well I saw something like 60-40 on those polls but regardless I don't understand the fascination for NA.

No it's not, not in my opinion anyway. Aside from being NA there's nothing even close between the two. There's plenty wrong in the C8Z scenario. You got NA, everyone else that didn't want it are stuck with NA. I'd be willing to bet that if it was turbo you guys that wanted NA would be disappointed yes, but you'd still like the car turbos or not. The guys that wanted FI on the other hand not so much, they're going to be limited with this car and I don't want to be limited. I wanted everything the C7Z was but in the C8 platform. The FI crowd is getting screwed because to get the car they want they're gonna have to pay probably 50k to 80k more than you.... not even close to comparable as I didn't want to have to pay 200k for a Corvette. Very disingenuous of you to act like that's a comparable option.

I didn't say you did, just that the way you talk about what will most likely be a ZR1 makes it sound as though nobody will like it. And I said that in my opening post, I just think there's more to a sportscar than sound.

 

They're not worth the money in my opinion. Don't do much for me, especially with the price factored in.

 

I mean you can say all the what ifs, this or that, this or that. Fact is, we got the NA. You FI guys will have to look elsewhere for FI needs. Whether it's TT alone, TT + electric assist or even an NA + electric assist. The z06 is the only the 2nd variant GM is coming out with. With 3 more possibly. Or 2 more for sure. Just pray you guys get your ultimate C8. Us z06 guys got ours.

Which brings another thing. Go look at the ultimate C8 thread.

That poll is also being shattered by the z06. And if you look at the option it said, "ZR1 assuming twin turbo". And yet only 19 people voted. Vs the 52 people who voted for the z06, knowing it's NA.

People just want NA man. I don't know why it's so hard to believe.

 

The ancient Corvette crowd would vote for heated wipers or radar cruise over twin turbos too. That’s not a crack at the older folks buying them but they just don’t care if it runs a 10.60 or an 11.90 really. I would like to see twins on it and lay down crazy power but I’ve always been into brutal acceleration and a car that’s kinda wild to drive. “Hillbilly”

 

I'm not even 40 yet and i still prefer NA.

I don't even own an NA car at the moment. I have 2 cars that are TT and my C7Z which is S/C'ed, from factory obviously. I even downgraded from my R1 and bought a 600cc bike. I have way more fun in the 600. Everyone is different.

Power is good. But sometimes less is more. And all the polls are proof of that. People want a simple platform. The last of it's kind. The final hoorah. NA power!

 

Yes, I said that in my first post, I know nothing is going to change. It's not about FI needs, it's about a good platform to grow on. And we won't because as I've explained to you paying an exorbitant amount for a car isn't the same thing as getting the affordable, modifiable car a lot of us were hoping to get. And by that logic they already make the car I want, a 765lt, GT2RS, SF90, Huracan STO, etc so why don't I just get one of those too....

That thread was why I started this one. A guy said "Flat plane crank is exactly what I have wanted" and I thought what does that have to do with anything as I wanted a flat plain crank as well. You can have FPC with turbos.

It's hard to believe because as car people go, they don't usually like being limited like NA is going to do. They like tinkering with their cars, having good platforms for power and I don't see how this Z06 with turbos would take away anything from its driving experience. Why was the C7Z so popular if NA is where it's at? Seriously, what kind of business sense does it make to go away from your best selling version of that car? Also a lot probably wouldn't admit it but I wonder if it has to do with price? Knowing the ZR1 is going to be dramatically more expensive than a car that now costs as much as the outgoing ZR1.

Like I said before, I like the performance aspect of cars and I don't care how I get it. NA, turbos, SC, nuclear, unicorn farts.... I don't care and what I'm trying to figure out is why someone like yourself loves NA so much that they egg people on with certain comments and things like the comment in your location. I can understand people preferring one over the other but not the almost cult like following that some of you display. If it was turbo I wouldn't rub it in your face, quite the contrary.

 

I'm happy with the FPC, just not happy with it being NA as it's limiting in my opinion.

 

I haven't read through the entire list of responses : however , I didn't catch anyone noting the heat soak tendency of F/I cars and the subsequent loss of power.

I had both a C5 with a pro charger ( centrifugal ) and also a C6 with an Edelbrock Eforce ( Positive displacement supercharger ) Both cars pulled hard during initial pulls through several gears but both would build heat quickly ( despite having intercoolers ) and then I would feel a noticeable drop in power. For the street, probably not so much of an issue but on the track, likely another story.

With this said, I am pleasantly surprised with my recently acquired 991.2 Turbo S. So far, After running subsequent pulls in a street environment, there has been no sense of power loss from heat build up. Turbo lag is non existent and the pull is strong and still feels fairly linear. I think with the right technology and engineering, you can have your cake and eat it too. Serious track duty, however, would be a different story which is why the GT3's are so popular

 

I'm now curious to know why and how it would limit you?

 

So people that i know, that know i have a C7Z. They all ask me, "you're getting the C8 z06 when it comes out right?"

I said of course. Then they're like, "are you mad it's naturally aspirated?"

Then i said, "no way, that's what i wanted.".

Then they're like, "why? Don't you want to be like those exotic cars that have no rear bumper so you can show off the turbos???"

I'm thinking....oh that's why people wanted the C8Z to be twin turbo lol

 

loll

 

Because with FI cars little mods go a long way towards increasing power. Just look at a stingray/GS vs a Z. One is limited to around 650hp and one is limited to around 1000hp. One you have to pay almost 10k to get to the power of the Z and with the Z you can pay about a third of the price for the same hp increase.

Then you have the C8Z's compression ratio which I hadn't even thought about until someone mentioned it recently. So if you do any aftermarket FI options you're gonna have to address that. Not sure if thicker head gaskets will suffice but either way pulling heads is still a far cry from simple cheap mods. Sure, money can fix any of these problems but you're definitely limited with simple power proven mods and doing anything in an affordable way.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

I'll take things that never happened for 500 alex.

 

Given the way GM has encrypted the ecm on the C8, nobody has been able to mod these without a piggyback. So modding a factory TT C8 is gonna be $$. Of course, you might decide the factory level hp is enough anyway and leave well enough alone. But, I think the days of cheap/easy mods to a TT platform (at least one from GM these days in the C8), are over.

 

Yeah quite possibly.

 

Is it not true that in the pipeline is a TT, an NA Hybrid, and a TT Hybrid? You'd think everyone would find one to like.

 

Exactly. The z06 isn't the final C8 variant left. There's 2 or 3 left.

Maybe the ERAY will be the potent street car. That way the roll racers can get the C8 they want. Then everyone is happy!