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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 06:05 AM
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The internet, where people will complain about anything & everything anymore. Smh
Came here just to say please for the love of god don’t use “anymore” like that.
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I just don't understand the weight comments when the performance - at least partially - is known? 2.6 0-60 and 10.6 1/4 (likely at 130+ MPH for that ET for a car on street tires). How does it need "twins" to "get this boat moving?". I would get it if the car ran mid to low 11's at 125ish MPH on average stock - but it doesn't. Makes no sense.
It is rather funny. Because most of the people who didn't want NA in the z06 have no problems trying to pick up a used huracan. Which is also NA......that makes less power.....that cost more....that sounds like crap......that doesn't look as good as the C8Z......lol

I don't get it lol
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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by vtknight
I just don't understand the weight comments when the performance - at least partially - is known? 2.6 0-60 and 10.6 1/4 (likely at 130+ MPH for that ET for a car on street tires). How does it need "twins" to "get this boat moving?". I would get it if the car ran mid to low 11's at 125ish MPH on average stock - but it doesn't. Makes no sense.
The 2.6 sec 0-60 is with a one foot roll out so the real 0-60 is more like 3 sec which is still fast but a far cry from the top performers of today. And the quarter mile trap speed of 130 is 3mph more than a 06 z06. That car had 170hp less and a 6 speed with 3.42 rear end and is close in straight line performance. You know there was a time not too long ago when the z06 beat exotics in straight line performance as well as track. That is the point I am making.
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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NA Screamer
Sure. A boat. Needs twin turbos. You do a good impersonation of click bait. GM produced a mid-engine sports car for $60,000 that gets to 60MPH in less than three seconds. And the thing handles decently. Then it's producing a version with super car numbers for less than 100 grand. And we can't wait to see the track numbers.

To your original question. NA sounds better. But you know that. And people are always nostalgic for what will soon pass. In this case---NA. Oh, and the Z06 engine is a masterpiece. That size, that horsepower, that lack of forced air. It's not just performance. Its art. But I think you know all this.
Yes this new Z06 is a boat and its straight line performance is right on par with mustangs, hellcats, and camaro's. Sorry I am not as impressed with the average acceleration numbers as you are.
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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by C6Z06C6
The 2.6 sec 0-60 is with a one foot roll out so the real 0-60 is more like 3 sec which is still fast but a far cry from the top performers of today. And the quarter mile trap speed of 130 is 3mph more than a 06 z06. That car had 170hp less and a 6 speed with 3.42 rear end and is close in straight line performance. You know there was a time not too long ago when the z06 beat exotics in straight line performance as well as track. That is the point I am making.
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Yes this new Z06 is a boat and its straight line performance is right on par with mustangs, hellcats, and camaro's. Sorry I am not as impressed with the average acceleration numbers as you are.
All figures are given with a one foot roll out. That isn’t anything new. We get it - you don’t like the C8Z - but stay in reality. “Only 3 MPH difference from a C7Z”? The FI C7Z? VS an NA engine? The most powerful ever made in any car? And it’s quicker and faster? It has the same performance of MUSTANGS? Please tell me you mean the new GT500? How many videos of that car being beaten by a regular C8 are out there? I have videos of a C8 beating a C7Z as well. Lol.

Average acceleration numbers? 10.6 at 130+ MPH. Please name me the quicker and faster cars - stock - since it’s so average. Must be a big list - being average…I will wait. Lol with your yesteryear comments…there was a time not long ago…Put down the internet dude - it just makes you look petty and angry.

EDIT: sorry…you said a stock C6Z was running 127 MPH - on average? LOL. C7Z’s ran 125-127 MPH on average. I think you need to put down the unicorn DA Ranger, KL and Fartpipe runs from days long ago. C6Z’s - stock with stock tires since we are talking C8Z’s - run 11.3-11.5’s at 123-125 MPH on (a fairly good) average. With the 7 litre V8 and much lighter car. And to be clear - Hellcats - the 700 HP FI cars - run 124-126 MPH and mid to low 11’s as well - on stock wheels. So to be clear - neither a higher HP, much higher torque FI car nor a much bigger displacement V8 is quicker or faster than the C8Z. And yet - you are disappointed?

…and this “almost” as fast comment? Every tenth is about a car length. And - we are comparing a car that built for road course - with lots of discussions on straight line performance.

Like I said - we get it - this NA FPC mid engine idea is getting your blood to boil - but why waste your time here on it? Stick with your C6 - it’s a great car. If the C8 ZR1 isn’t enough of an improvement…Maybe the C9 or C10 will be the one for you. They could be 8 second cars by then.

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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 09:04 PM
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If they came out with a 780 HP/700TQ, C8 Z06 Supercharged FPC...
..and it was the same price as the N/A FPC C8 Z06...(Humor me here)
..how many of you would really get the N/A?

DONT LIE......
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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Hemi Dave
If they came out with a 780 HP/700TQ, C8 Z06 Supercharged FPC...
..and it was the same price as the N/A FPC C8 Z06...(Humor me here)
..how many of you would really get the N/A?

DONT LIE......
That is likely the C8 ZR1 - although it with be turbocharged - and it will likely have more and torque. And I will not be interested. Because that FPC will be reduced in redline - and be muffled - but the turbos.

Crazy as it may sound - pun intended - I’m here for the sound (and performance and instant response) that only a high revving FPC NA car can provide.

Lots and lots and lots of pushrod cross plane crank cars to mod. So so many. Literally - everything else is cross plane crank push rod. So many options for those who want a drag car. Or a super low end torque - likely unusable - on the street setup. So much fuss over the first and last NA FPC mid engine Corvette.
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Old Dec 26, 2021 | 09:20 PM
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If they came out with a 780 HP/700TQ, C8 Z06 Supercharged FPC.
Give me a supercharged small block instead of a charged DOHC FPC, and sign me the hell up!
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 01:32 AM
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I don't think there is too much doubt that the NA engine will bring in buyers from other brands to the Corvette, which is a good thing. The selection of NA engine equipped cars in the Corvette's class is getting pretty thin.

GM intended the C8 Z06 to be NA from the start. They wanted the throttle response, the sound, reduced weight, eliminate heat soak and thermal runaway, and, frankly, an excuse to finally build a truly high rpm engine for the Corvette. The C8 Z06 will be a legend.
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Originally Posted by jvp
Give me a supercharged small block instead of a charged DOHC FPC, and sign me the hell up!
What do you not like about the LT6?
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by JG853
What do you not like about the LT6?
I'm not now, nor ever have been impressed by engines that have to rev to hell just to make their power. It's not a fun driving experience. I don't care what all the other sports car manufacturers are doing or have done; a lot of that was born out of necessity given the ridiculous displacement taxes that used to be imposed on the EU. We don't have those restrictions here. Also, from all of the recordings I've heard: I'm unimpressed by its exhaust note. It's not pleasing in the least. I prefer the thunder of the small block, not the whiney "pissed off bumblebee" sound of the LT6. FPC V8s do not sound good.
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael A
GM intended the C8 Z06 to be NA from the start. They wanted the throttle response, the sound, reduced weight, eliminate heat soak and thermal runaway, and, frankly, an excuse to finally build a truly high rpm engine for the Corvette. The C8 Z06 will be a legend.
I am amazed by the LT6. I love machines and have owned and driven some of the best crotch rockets (1,000ccs). I am familiar with the latest design criteria, surface coatings, etc... Yet, the LT6 is much better than any engine that I could imagine. I consider it to be the production V8 equivalent of the V12 hyper-car engines currently produced by Cosworth.
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Originally Posted by jvp
I'm not now, nor ever have been impressed by engines that have to rev to hell just to make their power. It's not a fun driving experience. I don't care what all the other sports car manufacturers are doing or have done; a lot of that was born out of necessity given the ridiculous displacement taxes that used to be imposed on the EU. We don't have those restrictions here. Also, from all of the recordings I've heard: I'm unimpressed by its exhaust note. It's not pleasing in the least. I prefer the thunder of the small block, not the whiney "pissed off bumblebee" sound of the LT6. FPC V8s do not sound good.
I understand exactly what you are saying. As a Super Dirt Late Model guy, I completely agree.
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleLion
I am amazed by the LT6. I love machines and have owned and driven some of the best crotch rockets (1,000ccs). I am familiar with the latest design criteria, surface coatings, etc... Yet, the LT6 is much better than any engine that I could imagine. I consider it to be the production V8 equivalent of the V12 hyper-car engines currently produced by Cosworth.
Not really. It is closer to what Porsche has been doing with the GT3 engines for the last couple generations.
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 10:02 AM
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Call me crazy or whatever but I love ‘em all. I love me some classic American thunder. Lt4 in my z06 was awesome. The lt4 in my cts v also amazing. The predator engine in my gt500 is worthy of Zeus’ approval himself. Off the chart love it. But I’ve also always had a thing for Ferrari/Lamborghini engines. The v10/12 Lamborghini engines absolutely rock me out. Same for the Ferrari fpc v8 and their V12. This fpc in the z is going to be just as nuts and I can’t wait. I guess I’m weird but bring ‘em all on.
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Originally Posted by PurpleLion
I am amazed by the LT6. I love machines and have owned and driven some of the best crotch rockets (1,000ccs). I am familiar with the latest design criteria, surface coatings, etc... Yet, the LT6 is much better than any engine that I could imagine. I consider it to be the production V8 equivalent of the V12 hyper-car engines currently produced by Cosworth.
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Not really. It is closer to what Porsche has been doing with the GT3 engines for the last couple generations.
He's not wrong. The LT6 is more efficient and advanced than the GT3's engine, and the measure of efficiency is BMEP which matches the Cosworth V12 in the Aston Martin Valkyrie (hypercar) for the highest rating:

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Originally Posted by glass slipper
The supercharger will add 200 lbs, the extra 110 HP won't make up the difference given the inferior power curve.
I agree with you nearly 100% of the time. This is one of those times when I'll say, "See ya at the track. In my rear view mirror. And getting smaller." ;-)
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 11:26 AM
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I agree with you nearly 100% of the time. This is one of those times when I'll say, "See ya at the track. In my rear view mirror. And getting smaller." ;-)
In what car - stock vs stock? This is the part I don’t understand. If the car is as stated. 10.6 1/4 mile. The car will trap 130+ MPH. The Performante runs mid 10’s at 132+ MPH with less HP/TQ and less weight.
although the C8Z isn’t a drags car - what are the cars - stock - that are going to put it in their rear view? Now subtract any cars you can come up with from its mission statement of a track (road course) focused car that can put the car in its rear view and that list gets really really short. I am legitimately asking here - and open to being proven wrong.

Sound is subjective - I get that part. The new Top Gear video I posted at around 2:34 shows the best and clearest sound example of the LT6 - and I think it’s pretty fantastic. That said - when you say you don’t think any FPC V8’s sound good - and the Ferrari 458 is one of the best sounding engines ever in my opinion - then FPC cars are likely not going to ever impress you. And they sound completely different from cross plane crank engines - so if it’s a preference - it’s a preference. I am fortunate to own a drag car - so for me it’s I’m just good to appreciate both.
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Originally Posted by vtknight
In what car - stock vs stock?
That wasn't the point of Hemi Dave's question. He simply asked if people would take the Z06 as is, but charged and with a bunch more torque and HP. IOW: an imaginary Z06 option. I've been driving charged Corvettes on the race track since 2010 and haven't had a single problem with either of them. And I've been outrun by exactly one dude, in a very well-driven 911 Turbo, on a day I experimented with using my AC at the track (never, ever a good idea!)

Sound is subjective - I get that part.
The rest of this post is you going around circles saying the same thing. High revving V10s sound great. High revving V12s even better. V8s? They should like ****. Add to it the awful sound of the FPC and it's a displeasing assault on the eardrums.
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Originally Posted by jvp
That wasn't the point of Hemi Dave's question. He simply asked if people would take the Z06 as is, but charged and with a bunch more torque and HP. IOW: an imaginary Z06 option. I've been driving charged Corvettes on the race track since 2010 and haven't had a single problem with either of them. And I've been outrun by exactly one dude, in a very well-driven 911 Turbo, on a day I experimented with using my AC at the track (never, ever a good idea!)



The rest of this post is you going around circles saying the same thing. High revving V10s sound great. High revving V12s even better. V8s? They should like ****. Add to it the awful sound of the FPC and it's a displeasing assault on the eardrums.
For the first part…got it. For real life - right now - I believe it is accurate that the C8Z as is should hold its own or beat most cars available today stock. Which I think is a good thing. Yes - I agree - AC and racing is never good but I’m sure you were more comfortable at least lol.

For the second part - I’m a little surprised you don’t like the sound of a 458. But it’s a subjective thing. So it would seem the C8Z will not be a car you will be happy with. The ZR1 will be FI - I don’t know if they will keep the car FPC and will
likely do a GT500 - and maybe some electric assist? It will - 100% - be much quicker and faster in every way to the C8Z. This purchase is simply a - it fits - exactly what I want - for me. And it’s great GM has these options - so everyone can get the C8 they want.
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