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Did anything ever come of this? What did Chevy say?

 

I saw the writing on the wall months ago and picked up a Gen 2 R8 V10+. While not a 610-4 Huracan is not all that far off either. With pricing what it is i'm not sure the Z06 is worth it to me. It'll cost me the same a I paid for my R8 and i doubt the Z quality wise will compare. If you get the Huracan and don't like it you can always move on.

 

I’ve been playing phone tag with the woman for 2 days. She called and I was boarding a flight, I called and she was having phone system issues, etc.

 

How do you like it? My wife is voting R8 over Huracan, she’s an Audi fan.

 

Just get the R8.

Unless you wear jean shorts, New Balance shoes, and knee high socks. It's also hard to fit in oversized lawn chairs for cruise ins. The smell of Bengay may also hurt the resale of the car later on whereas it would be expected for a used C8.

Otherwise it's a far superior car for most.

 

I came from a 16 1LZ Z06 so the driving characteristics are very different. I'm not "scared" of the R8 like I was playing around in the Z06. That said it's hands down a better car. Fit and finish, dealership experience, and rarity has been on another level. I definitely feel faster in a straight line in the R8 but notice it doesn't handle quite as well as the Z. Since I don't track it I'll take the superior straight line. What turned me off to the 610-4 was noticing all the features it didn't have that come stock on the R8. And it's more comfortable.

 

Hur-hur-hur. Another [insert_other_brand] fanboy here on CF coming to troll. Roll my eyes when people resort to stupid knocks on the car because they have nothing of actual substance.

The R8 is a very dated platform and it's obliterated in pretty much every performance metric and lap times by a base C8, nevermind a C8 Z06.

They also have common issues of cracked frames. Junk engineering.
https://www.r8talk.com/threads/audi-...gation.166760/

 

I spoke with Executive Relations this morning. She agreed this dealer was acting unethically, and against the direction of Steve Carlisle’s memo’s. She will be reaching out directly to the GM of the dealership, as well as his boss (I’m not sure who this would be in the hierarchy). She expects to have their response within the week and will let me know what the next step is.

I’m still skeptical and curious to see what happens. Honestly at this point I’m most intrigued to see how much teeth these memos truly have.

 

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Might want to familiarize yourself with the product before forming your opinion. As far as lap times they are about equal no qualms there. I don't track so that means nothing to me. Straight line however is quite a bit different which is what most of us will do with these cars. Car wow just did a test with the slowest R8 available vs the C8. It was ugly. Given the weight difference a V10+(3550) or Performance(3600) should about equal a Z06 in a straight line.

 

Don't get me wrong, the R8 is nice, but the back half of the car from the side view make it look like it was assembled in 2 pieces. The straight line speed may be fun but I can remember passing them on the long straight in Thompson CT in my C7Z (easy pickings). Here's the bottom line and it cannot be denied.....nobody knows what the streets will be like once the Z06 is on them. The Z06 is a dream right now for anyone on a list. It hasn't been out and about. Once the car is driving around the idea, of Chevrolet, Jorts, New Balance, and Old Men will disappear. The sound and the look will make everyone want it. When the C7Z06 came out the demand and deposit lists were nothing like they are now so what you have are new buyers coming to the table with deeper pockets than in the past and those additional buyers are from McLaren, Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari etc. If it were any different, the demand would be similar to the last generation. Nobody moving off a $105K MSRP is also indicative of the kind of buyers on these lists. Now, the last point I can make is the used car market. I've had a deposit down for almost 3 years now. I've considered all kinds of used exoctics. When COVID hid you could pickup a 570S with less than 10K miles for $130K. A used Huracan for $180K. A newer used R8, for $110K. That's all out the window now. A 570S with low miles = $165K+. A used Huracan $220K+ and a brand new STO RWD is $208K MSRP. R8 with low mileage now = $140K+. Sure, all these cars depreciate slower than most, but that doesn't mean they should be over their original MSRP either. Anyone buying used right now is paying an ADM whether they recognize it or not. The only one's buying a car at a great price are those doing it at MSRP in this economy.

 

Agreed on many points. Styling is subjective. I personally like the rear of the R8 more than both my C7Z and the C8. I prefer the front of both over it. Interior hands down the R8 over both models. I can't speak for you passing R8's on the straight do you know what model years and trims? Gen 2's are significantly faster than Gen 1's and should trap 2-5 mph higher than a C7Z. That said you like what you like. I'm staying on Mike's list and will likely have both in my garage for a time until I decide which works better for me.

 

Here is what I believe is going to happen.

Many dealers are going to be doing something similar or just offering their allotment to whoever writes a big check.

Future Z06 sales will PLUMMET as fed up consumers drop off the lists

GM will get angry when so many inquiries drop out but do nothing. Well, maybe write a memo.

Overall dealers will lose more money than they made on marking it up

 

It seems that R8's have a brace to make the location of crack stronger since 2011. This problem no longer exist according to your link. Some thought the cracks developed due to failed magnetic shocks. As GM would describe it, bad batch of supplier parts.

 

If lap times didn't matter, one should just buy a Dodge at that point. Lap times are absolutely translatable to off-track/public road driving. Do you not use public roads with turns? eg. spirited/aggressive driving on twisty backroads, canyon carving, roads like Tail of the Dragon, etc. That's like saying that if one does not do to the drag strip (also a "track") then there's no real world use for straight-line performance.

Bottom line, the R8 is weak for a car that has base C8 performance (lap times are the best overall measure of performance). The Z06 will absolutely obliterate it.

 

It's an engineering design flaw. They didn't adequately design the frame and reinforce it at the stress points. Nothing to do with "bad batch of supplier parts" unless the whole frame was supplied by a 3rd party with sub-par metal.

 

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Many on here probably don't know that there are two distinct generations of the R8. The first gen from 2007 to 2015 is based on the Lamborghini Gallardo. That's the platform that had cracking and needed the brackets. The 2nd gen from 2017 is based on the Lamborghini Huracan. Totally different platform with no such problems.

 

I certainly do and love every minute in all my performance cars in the twisties R8 included. I enjoy straights even more as thats what i drive 95% of the time. Maybe you do track days every week but i'd bet most here will never track their car. They will go fast in a straight line every time. The Z will likely be equal or slightly faster in a straight line. Same torque and 50 more hp with what 150 pounds more weight. You know all of this. I'm excited to compare the two first hand honestly.

 

No, when I want fun in my sports car, I go right to back twisty roads and take corners very spiritedly, brake hard, and accelerate hard between turns. Going fast in a straight line is boring IMO and is for the muscle car crowd, not the sports car crowd.