Agreed, who’s job is it at the factory to inspect these panels? There certainly is someone paid to do that. Simply look at the crooked stitching, put it aside and then if there is an issue, contact the supplier and figure out a solution. And don’t forget, there is an up charge for the stitching. People are paying extra for it. Make it right!!

 

Some of the other posters alluded to the Corvette Forum not welcoming any critique. I thought there was a lot of exaggeration, but clearly it is not all exaggeration.

May I ask you kindly to either respond to the OP in an objective way and if you can't, leave the personal attacks and bullying out of it? This is very wrong. Someone says something that hits a nerve, you are not able to have a civil conversation with the person but instead attack him/her personally. In this case, blatantly lying about other accounts or working for Porsche so I am a spy here. Do you listen to yourself? Are you in high school? We are all better than that. I can assure you I am extremely excited about this car. I do not work for Porsche. I do not like my Porsche Cayenne. It has really crappy brakes and the transmission is from 2004. I can have a thread here and complain all day long about why I dont like Porsche Cayenne. I simply wanted to use stitching from that car to serve as a baseline in order to have an objective statement that the C8 Z06 stitching in SpeedPhenom's car is not acceptable. There is not much more to this. You guys give Porsche way too much credit. I am a McLaren guy through and through but I am not bringing 720S into this as immediately it's price point will become an issue.

I am hoping we can all get along. I had no intention to **** people off.

Cheers

 

There's nothing childish is going on here. There is particularly prolific troll that has a loooong history of making these types of threads, and you are starting to remind us of him, that's all.

Conspiracy theory? Possibly. Problem is that while debating if you are who some of us think you might be, I can only take your behaviors and past comments into account, not your claim to not be him. I'm fairly certain that if you were him, you weren't going to respond with, "Oh man, you got me again!"

If you truly aren't UnhandledException version 3.0, then I'll just call it a rather uncanny resemblance to someone who has already been banned twice. The trademark behavior of repeatedly creating or supporting "alarming" posts and threads about the Corvette while praising anything Porsche, combined with the date you joined (shortly after said members second account was banned) is awfully coincidental, no?

That said, I'll try my best to give you the benefit of the doubt, but my guess is your future posts will look very, very familiar.

-Rob

 

Mr. Vetter Master,
I am calling you out. You joined Dec. 22, 2022 and you have posted 75 times since then- mostly negative baloney about the Z06. You have previously been kicked off this forum for the same thing.
You are doing nothing but diminishing the Z06. Direct your energy towards Chevrolet and keep your petty criticisms to yourself. You are a Porsche troll so get over to that website and add your expertise there.
You are starting to remind me of Unhandled Exception.

 

If you say ANYTHING that is even 1% critical, you get eaten alive. This is by FAR the most toxic forum I've ever been on.

 

We all have the ability to vote with our $. Consider possible alternatives and make a choice. If you aren’t ok with the stitching, or anything else, spend your money elsewhere. If you think there’s a better car at a comparable price then buy it. Why wouldn’t you?

 

I agree on the level of toxicity here but it seems to come from all directions. The C8 platform, especially the Z06, seems to have really brought out some bitterness from fans of past Corvettes and other brands and apologists seem to want to paint a perfect picture when we all know nothing comes free and compromises were made somewhere. I get bashed every time I bring up the poor HTC internal fitment and mediocre leathers used but I’m still putting my order together for a HTC Z06 and can’t wait to get one. Can’t say i really understand those that spend so much time here that have no interest in ever getting one.

 

What does unhandled exception supposed to mean? Some kind of CF jargon? Calling me out on what?

The oil temperature question was again an observation directly from various videos. What is wrong with pointing this out? Maybe someone from GM reads this and they put a software fix to stop the dry sump pump from working when the oil gets too cold? Nothing I posted has been subjective in a sense such as "I dont like the appearance of the Z06, i.e. boomerang side or the big fat back to fit golf clubs" or such as "the performance of 1/4 mile time is too slow and the outgoing Z06 was better". Those are examples of extremely subjective statements that could be interpreted as trolling/negative posts. The stitching issue on the other hand is an actual issue. I'd consider this a warranty issue. I dont accept stitching like the one above is acceptable by any standards. Are we only allowed to post praises of the car (which I also have!)?

I have never seen the amount of hostility and conspiracy theories I have here anywhere else. I will do my best to stay civil. When I take delivery of my Z06, I intend to do lots of DIY videos/threads on oil changes, brake duct installs, DCT filter changes, cabin/engine filter changes and other things. I am not here to bash anyone/anything.

 

Mr. Vetter Master
EVERYTHING you post is subjective and negative. To suggest that a G.M. engineer would read your fix for cold oil temps and act on it is hilarious.

 

Let me attempt to contribute to the original discussion and hopefully steer this conversation away from conspiracy theories about who the OP is or the level of toxicity on this forum....

I am no Chevrolet apologist. In fact, the C8 is the first Corvette I have ever bought and the only one I ever even would've entertained buying. I respected some of the other generations but they just weren't for me. In fact, this is the first American car I have ever bought (though I started driving in a hand me down Ford Escort). I've had a lot of sports cars, a few exotic cars and have been heavily into Porsches over the years. I feel very strongly that the 'value proposition' that the OP proffered is not completely fair and is skewed to favor the Porsche. Let me explain.
The closest performer in the 911 range is definitely the GTS, so let's start there. If you configure a Carrera GTS to be similarly equipped to a 2LZ Z06, you get a price of about $158,000. That is with uncharge paint because the normal palette is dreadful, premium pack, leather interior to get ventilated seats and a sunroof (which still doesn't quite replicate the Z06's ability to go topless but it's as close as you can get without going to a Targa or Cabrio (which also then default to AWD and it kind of starts to be apples to oranges--not to mention the Porsche is then $175K+). A 2LZ Z06 opens at $116K. Let's forget ADMs for either car and just assume you can get an allocation after waiting a year or so. That is a differential of $42,000, which is significant.
I feel strongly that asserting that the Z06 is a "$180,000 car" repeatedly is kind of disingenuous. That is an absolutely loaded 3LZ coupe with Z07 and carbon everything you are talking about there. I think a non-Z07 car would still more than hold its own against the German. And it still has a roof that comes off, which the Porsche can't match. It still has a wild flat plane crank V8 that the Porsche can't match. It still has naturally aspirated power delivery that the Porsche can't match. It still revs to 8600rpm which the Porsche can't match. I would also offer that it would likely mop the floor with the GTS on any track you'd care to take them to, though it would be much closer than the 200 horsepower deficit would suggest. The Porsche is about 300 pounds lighter but it's 200 horsepower. Damn, German horses sure are strong.
So you keep parroting that the Z06 is a $180,000 car which it really isn't. I agree that the value proposition starts to shift as you go up into the range. I'd never order a 3LZ with Z07 and carbon wheels personally, and you don't have to either.

 

I have had both Corvette's and porsche's since 1986, by chance driving by a Chevy dealership New Years Eve day I saw it coming off a car carrier, long story short got home called the dealership, the car was not sold, and they sold it at sticker to me, a present for my wife, a white 70th anniversery HTC, great car, can't wait for my Z06's, but ask me if the stitching is perfect, it's not, it's mostly good, you can't really compare the two, the notzie cars in my garage cost 3 times more, so they better be better, and the Corvette is still the best BARGAIN for my dollar,that's why number 15 is in the garage

 

Nice car, hcvone. I'm sure your wife is right chuffed with it. Well done...

Your post sort of serves as a corollary to my sermon, which is let us not forget that the true value proposition in the C8 world is, of course, the base Stingray. Let's all remember that the whole range is based around a platform that opens at $63K. The 911 range starts from $106K. That is a world of difference. That's 68% more money on the basic outlay. Of course the freaking stitching is straighter. And you're gonna pay literally $10 per stitch to get it that way.

 

I found picture of the seat base not being centered, to be bad. Something I would have asked to be replaced.

The price differential between the base C8 and the Z06 is not for different seats or interior. They are the same. Yeah, there is some pricing differential as you step up in trim that I don't understand, but generally the interior is not a part of the price differential. So that is a complete red herring.

I am pleased with the quality of the interior on my 2020 HTC 2LT. Is it perfect? No idea, I have not looked at it with a microscope, or taken pictures blown them up and studied them carefully. Have I found issue that I or my normally OCD wife keep noticing? No, we have not. And my wife normally sees unlevel, and slightly off kilter things I do not, and they bother her intensely. So, if I see something, I never say anything, because she will never unsee it, and we end up replacing it, car, plate, window, carpet whatever it is. Warranty work when we built a new house was quite the adventure.

So, for those that have bad luck, you have my sympathy. I guess I just have had good luck.

 

With significantly increasing price points, expectations should proportionally increase and the willingness to accept these type of flaws decrease.

I think part of the reason why I like the dipped interiors is because of the same colored stitching which blends with the leather color, sloppy and wavy contrast stitching would definitely annoy me.

 

The pictures I posted are not zoomed in pictures. Contrary, they are screen captures from a youtube video which makes them lower quality. My gut feeling is that if you were looking at the door in real life, you'd see the stitching in a more obvious way. I dont think we are bringing a microscope on this one. Are you saying your C8 doesn't have this stitching behavior (let's call it a behavior and not an issue)?

 

You actually have a point here. If one gets a more basic build, perhaps somehow at $120k these issues could be overlooked vs $180k. I have two counter points, the first one is I am getting every option/package that has a performance element. So that means Z07 package, the high wing and the CF wheels. I am absolutely getting CF wheels because they do change the way car drives and feels and to me that's important. In my case, the cheapest I can get my build is $140k with all CF options chosen, Z07 package, and 1LZ coupe. Yes, I save $40k but to me $140k is still a lot of money to be starting at not straight stitching (or the seat that sags). I honestly wouldn't be happy with this even in a $67,000 base stingray. My $38,000 2011 BMW 335i had stitching that was just as straight as the Porsche Cayenne.

Perhaps in this case, because the engine and everything else about the driving dynamics is so amazing one could look the other way. But I think GM should take note of this issue and improve on it.

 

I am saying I have not noticed a problem with my stitching. I do not have the extra cost special color stitching. I have a black interior. I drive my car, I do not stare at the interior. I have over 20k miles on it, so I am in it a lot. Several hundred hours probably.

 

Ok, I see what you are saying. If you have black stitching, then I dont see this issue being easily visible hence your comment about microscope now makes sense. Maybe this makes a case for not choosing color stitching option.

 

The "****" reference is affront to all Germans.
That time has past except for a few crazies there and here.
Respect is nice.

 

Don’t forget this one: