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Dec 20, 2023 | 03:18 AM

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Gang Green

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Would it be easier t just go with the lowering springs opposed to using the collars and call it a day?

Dec 20, 2023 | 11:24 AM

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RD-1

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Would it be easier t just go with the lowering springs opposed to using the collars and call it a day?

For the front it's about the same amount of work, however it creates more work for the rear. Also the only aftermarket springs currently available are 30% stiffer.

Dec 20, 2023 | 11:40 AM

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TRANS DAMM

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Anyone have a part number for the crush washers? Did anyone reuse the ones that came on the car?

Dec 20, 2023 | 11:44 AM

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Anyone have a part number for the crush washers? Did anyone reuse the ones that came on the car?

21012386 I wouldn't use the old ones as they deform.

Dec 20, 2023 | 12:00 PM

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Jimsue

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Originally Posted by TRANS DAMM

Anyone have a part number for the crush washers? Did anyone reuse the ones that came on the car?

As previously said, replace them. Here’s what mine looked like when I did my SR a few years back.

Dec 23, 2023 | 11:24 AM

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Gang Green

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There's a couple of other threads on this - I just ordered my collars yesterday. Will have a speed shop install them this spring for me - Not worried about warrantee.

Dec 23, 2023 | 11:56 AM

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JToddH

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That’s what they tell you now

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Originally Posted by zman62

My dealer installed collars and lowered mine to gm track spec. Zero warranty issue as per gm

GM decides if they’ll reimburse the dealer for warranty claims. It’s not the dealer’s call and GM (via TSB) has stated categorically that collars will void warranty repairs on front lift.

I’m in the same boat about lowering options, or the lack of. It appears that GM removes all lowering options for those who have the audacity to option front lift.

Dec 23, 2023 | 12:12 PM

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RD-1

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I was told by my dealer that if I decide to change the ride height the warranty will be voided. I stated the car comes with adjustable coil overs, they said that doesn't matter. GM sets the car up at a certain ride height, if you take it upon yourself to change it you are out of luck. They also said as an example if something went wrong with the dct, GM will not cover repairs due to the ride height being changed from factory specs. Needless to say I rolled the dice and did it anyways as I don't like the 4x4 look.

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Dec 23, 2023 | 03:44 PM

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JToddH

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That sounds like BS from your dealer…

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…also said as an example if something went wrong with the dct, GM will not cover repairs due to the ride height being changed from factory specs. Needless to say I rolled the dice and did it anyways as I don't like the 4x4 look.

If true from GM, it sounds like they’re looking for any lame excuse to void warranty work. I’m not questioning the poster, but I do question a dealer saying that.

It seems like a real stretch to connect a DCT failure to ride height, especially with the history of their DCT.

Dec 23, 2023 | 03:49 PM

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RD-1

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While I agree with you, they are holding all the cards and I'm at their mercy. What they say goes, sure you could try to argue but in the end you will get the shaft. The old saying you gotta pay to play comes to mind.

Dec 23, 2023 | 06:26 PM

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JockItch

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Originally Posted by RD-1

That’s ridiculous and BS. Sounds like you need to find another dealer.

Dec 23, 2023 | 06:33 PM

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RD-1

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That’s ridiculous and BS. Sounds like you need to find another dealer.

I assure you it's not BS, I purchased a GMPP extended warranty and after reading the fine print it states they can void your warranty if you alter the vehicle in any way. The dealer has no bearing on warranty coverage or not as many have you believe, it's up to GM or your aftermarket warranty company.

Dec 23, 2023 | 09:03 PM

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JockItch

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How are they going to know about lowering the car with aftermarket collars in a lame warranty denial and cancellation attempt in the event of a DCT failure if not for the dealer?

People claim the Magnuson-Moss Act in a lot of situations that don’t apply, in this situation it would definitely apply.

So if you just install a catback exhaust system they are going to void the warranty if your front lift fails? Ridiculous.

Dec 23, 2023 | 09:15 PM

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RD-1

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I don't make the policy and I agree that it's ridiculous, however that's what I've been told. My wife had a Volkswagen Jetta turbo at one time, I changed the headlight bulbs to those Blue colored ones for better visibility. The socket for the headlights slowly began to melt overtime, that caused the headlights to flicker at times. Not thinking anything about it she had a serive done and had mentioned the issue, they looked into it and said the aftermarket parts caused the problem. They voided the warranty on the entire electrical system of the car. We once had a Mazda 3 and it would have random misfires, dealer couldn't figure out the problem. I had the car running at night with the hood open and I could see little spark trails coming out of the spark plug wire jackets. We took it back to them and told them what to look for, they insisted everything was fine. I decided to replace the wires myself and the oem ones were stupid expensive, I replaced them with aftermarket ones and the problem was solved. Next time it was in for service i mentioned the issue was resolved, they said great however by me using aftermarket parts I had just voided the warranty. Have you ever personally tried to enforce the Magnuson-Moss Act, I have and never got anywhere.