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I am not in the financial bracket to afford a Ferrari nor am I on the trajectory to be in the Ferrari world. However, I am on track to retire at 50, own a $800,000 house with a small mortgage and own some nice Corvettes... I'll stick to the Corvettes.
Nope... F work. Not spending the best years of my life behind a desk to try to enjoy it in my late 60s and 70s. You have no clue what tomorrow brings or how healthy you'll be. Watched my father, the epitome of health, get a sudden Amyloidosis diagnosis at 71 that nearly killed him. Came out of nowhere through no cause of his own.
Ferrari has been famous for their NA FPC V8's, their beautiful sounds. When the Z06 comes out it will have a larger more powerful NA FPC V8 than Ferrari ever produced for the street. It will have that beautiful sound. And Ferrari will have what NA FPC V8 car still in production? So, in some ways, yes out Ferrari Ferrari. It will never cost as much as a Ferrari, so Ferrari will still be way out front on snobbery of costing more. Good for them.
It might be more important to ask yourself what planet you're on if you think any chevy is ever going to be better than a Ferrari.... Remember...Drugs can kill.
Some people love Daihatsu too...they've been around longer than Chevy.
peace....
Well...let's answer your question; what do we mean by better? If it is performance, the only objective criteria we have (not the subjective "like", "looks", "sounds", feels" etc.) then we can make direct comparisons. The C8Z is objectively quicker and faster than a 458 in every way (straight line and road course), produces more power and has nearly the same engine configuration. SO any 458 and earlier Ferrari, the C8Z is "better" - performance wise - to answer your question. The 488, it is fairly close, for straight line ET - MPH will likely be less for the C8Z. For road course, all 488's maybe minus the Pista would likely be slower on a road course. Now for newer Ferrari's - F8, SF90 and 296 - we will have to see what the ZR1 and any other variant produces. If the trend continues, it may be likely that those cars will out perform their Ferrari counterparts and be "better" as well.
I am not in the financial bracket to afford a Ferrari nor am I on the trajectory to be in the Ferrari world. However, I am on track to retire at 50, own a $800,000 house with a small mortgage and own some nice Corvettes... I'll stick to the Corvettes.
Originally Posted by rob62
Work 10 more years and get a Ferrari too.
Originally Posted by RapidC84B
Nope... F work. Not spending the best years of my life behind a desk to try to enjoy it in my late 60s and 70s. You have no clue what tomorrow brings or how healthy you'll be. Watched my father, the epitome of health, get a sudden Amyloidosis diagnosis at 71 that nearly killed him. Came out of nowhere through no cause of his own.
I retired at 55 and the only thing I didn't like was that my friends continued to work another 12+ years, so we were forced to max out our passports alone during the next 10 years. Finally, most of these friends are now retiring but are too tired to get up and go.
I think it is important to ask yourself how much of that is real versus marketing hype - today. Yesterdays Corvettes sure. Modern Corvettes?
100% Agreed.
^THIS. The one thing that will out Ferrari a Ferrari is the high revving, highest HP ever NA FPC V8. Everything else is FI and or Hybrid.
I think it is important to ask yourself how much of that is real versus marketing hype - today. Yesterdays Corvettes sure. Modern Corvettes?
Lol...I can see you are a fan and that is great. But being objective...Ferrari for Ferrari - at its release - versus the competition - which Ferrari was on top and how far back do you have to go to find an answer?
I looked into the 458 and it is my favourite Ferrari. It looks and sounds - well like I believe a Ferrari should. As I looked into one however - I found what the gentleman did above. Plus - performance wise - it is too far behind now.
THat's not the only reason you buy a Ferrari. I have driven a 458. I'm sold
I retired at 55 and the only thing I didn't like was that my friends continued to work another 12+ years, so we were forced to max out our passports alone during the next 10 years. Finally, most of these friends are now retiring but are too tired to get up and go.
^This. There is (MUCH) more to life than balance sheets. What is important to one may not be to another.
Originally Posted by Tactical-Speed
THat's not the only reason you buy a Ferrari. I have driven a 458. I'm sold
I have raced the 458. It is my favourite Ferrari. I almost bought one - but those issues, plus the performance limitations (compared to current), put a stop to that. If I am fortunate to have the opportunity to add another car I do not care about performance for - that would be it.
The FPC in the C8Z will be epic, it's what the 488 should have had in it ... in that sense alone Chevy is carrying forward what used to be at the heart of Ferrari's soul. This is by intent, this why they benchmarked it against the 458, it is an homage to what many consider peak NA V8.
Looks wise it's not even close when a 14yo Ferrari design looks more modern and elegant than a brand new Corvette.
Well...let's answer your question; what do we mean by better? If it is performance, the only objective criteria we have (not the subjective "like", "looks", "sounds", feels" etc.) then we can make direct comparisons. The C8Z is objectively quicker and faster than a 458 in every way (straight line and road course), produces more power and has nearly the same engine configuration. SO any 458 and earlier Ferrari, the C8Z is "better" - performance wise - to answer your question. The 488, it is fairly close, for straight line ET - MPH will likely be less for the C8Z. For road course, all 488's maybe minus the Pista would likely be slower on a road course. Now for newer Ferrari's - F8, SF90 and 296 - we will have to see what the ZR1 and any other variant produces. If the trend continues, it may be likely that those cars will out perform their Ferrari counterparts and be "better" as well.
Its not my question nor was it ever (I know the answer though).....No amount of words with change reality....but keep trying. It might make a few chevy guys feel better....Now excuse my while I go detail my poor Corvette its got pollen all over it again......
The FPC in the C8Z will be epic, it's what the 488 should have had in it ... in that sense alone Chevy is carrying forward what used to be at the heart of Ferrari's soul. This is by intent, this why they benchmarked it against the 458, it is an homage to what many consider peak NA V8.
Looks wise it's not even close when a 14yo Ferrari design looks more modern and elegant than a brand new Corvette.
This is why I never plan to let mine go.
And such a perfect *** and stance on that car too...Beautiful...I'm jelly
]It might be more important to ask yourself what planet you're on if you think any chevy is ever going to be better than a Ferrari[/b].... Remember...Drugs can kill.
Some people love Daihatsu too...they've been around longer than Chevy.
peace....
Originally Posted by hawkgfr
Its not my question nor was it ever (I know the answer though).....No amount of words with change reality....but keep trying. It might make a few chevy guys feel better....Now excuse my while I go detail my poor Corvette its got pollen all over it again......
I guess I should have started with "the planet I think I am on is Earth, and I guess it depends on what you mean by better...". Again - I am simply discussing objective performance - and what I wrote is correct. You love Ferrari for many many subjective reasons and I don't blame you...the 458 is my favourite Ferrari - I almost bought one. The build/materials issues made me pause (although I know it doesn't happen to everyone). It is one of the most beautiful (subjective) cars ever made IMHO. A timeless classic. It won't stop me from being realistic and accurately stating that the C8 Z06 is quicker and faster in every measurable way. 458 isn't a spring chicken in the performance department anymore - and that is okay.
I guess I should have started with "the planet I think I am on is Earth, and I guess it depends on what you mean by better...". Again - I am simply discussing objective performance - and what I wrote is correct. You love Ferrari for many many subjective reasons and I don't blame you...the 458 is my favourite Ferrari - I almost bought one. The build/materials issues made me pause (although I know it doesn't happen to everyone). It is one of the most beautiful (subjective) cars ever made IMHO. A timeless classic. It won't stop me from being realistic and accurately stating that the C8 Z06 is quicker and faster in every measurable way. 458 isn't a spring chicken in the performance department anymore - and that is okay.
I guess you don't think anyone else will make a new car bedsides Chevy. ...I mean I haven't seen a C8 Z06 for sale yet...have you? And my question was rhetorical...I was speaking of OP when quoting your post...... PS you should have bought the other car....
I guess you don't think anyone else will make a new car bedsides Chevy. ...I mean I haven't seen a C8 Z06 for sale yet...have you? And my question was rhetorical...I was speaking of OP when quoting your post...... PS you should have bought the other car....
I do think other manufacturers are making new cars. For an NA FPC mid engine - you have to go back to the 458 though. I have not seen a C8Z that is ready to be bought yet - no. Hard to detect that since you responded back to my post versus the OPs post .
PS - it was a tough call - no other FPC V8 to choose from and the NA V10 EVOs didn’t provide the right bang for the dollar - for me - even though they are a much better performing car than the 458 - and it was still close - but I am grateful for my choice and have been super happy with it ever since.
NOTHING is better than FERRARI sports cars in term of design, engineering, aero dynamics , style, leather, carbon fiber , carbon F1 LED steering wheel and holding long term value. Ask yourself why does FORD and CHEVY copy Ferrari. Put a deposit in today for this ………have to wait a while…….magazines are saying its the Ultimate.
I have two questions about that 296 video. First, why is there so much drifting in it??? And does the ELB C8 look as good in the sun as that 296??? Looked awesome with the Ferrari badges. And, it made me want to order yellow brakes and seat belt for my ELB C8.
If the Z06 is going to out Ferrari Ferrari, then the infotainment/hvac buttons will have to turn sticky by year 2, the leather on dash delaminate and bubble by year 5, and the start/stop button should completely break/disappear by year 7. After 20,000 miles the wear on seats should appear as most other makes would at around 100,000 miles. The stereo should sound like a 1980s clock radio, and the exhaust manifolds should crack before 10,000 miles. Actual curb weight should come in about 150lbs above what Chevy says a model "with popular options" should weigh.
As the owner of a 2007 F430 Berlinetta I must agree with all of your points. Also, they eat clutches. And a significant number of critical components are shared by Fiat, Alf Romeo, Lancia, Lamborghini, and Maserati (you can throw in Porsche, Audi, and BMW too for electronics). Buy an F1 pump from Ferrari? $600. Buy the identical part from Alf Romeo? $195.
Ferrari avoids any racing series where Corvette competes. That says a lot.
NOTHING is better than FERRARI sports cars in term of design, engineering, aero dynamics , style, leather, carbon fiber , carbon F1 LED steering wheel and holding long term value. Ask yourself why does FORD and CHEVY copy Ferrari. Put a deposit in today for this ………have to wait a while…….magazines are saying its the Ultimate.
The C8Z will never out Ferrari Ferrari, but if it out performs it then I'm happy to own the poor man's Ferrari that I can dive with little concern of miles I will put on it... glad to be that poor 😁
I guess I should have started with "the planet I think I am on is Earth, and I guess it depends on what you mean by better...". Again - I am simply discussing objective performance - and what I wrote is correct. You love Ferrari for many many subjective reasons and I don't blame you...the 458 is my favourite Ferrari - I almost bought one. The build/materials issues made me pause (although I know it doesn't happen to everyone). It is one of the most beautiful (subjective) cars ever made IMHO. A timeless classic. It won't stop me from being realistic and accurately stating that the C8 Z06 is quicker and faster in every measurable way. 458 isn't a spring chicken in the performance department anymore - and that is okay.
It's been widely reported that the C8 design team's target was the Ferrari 458. While the base C8 lacks the FPC DOHC 4 valves per cylinder 562HP V8 in the Ferrari, it does come damn close and offers amenities lacking in the 458. On paper at least, the Z06 outclasses the 458 as the most powerful naturally-aspirated V8 in history. It has DOHC, a FPC, 4 valves per cylinder, and produces 670HP and stump-pulling torque.
Since a used 458 built from 2010-2015 can cost a minimum of $230,000 I believe that paying $150,000 for a C8 Z06 is a bargain. Especially when you consider the C8 comes with a warranty and the 458 does not. And given the price of Ferrari parts and labor, that is a big deal.
From a purely subjective standpoint the 458 is a much better looking car and certainly a head-turner everywhere. But in terms of bang for the buck, the Z06 is the clear winner in a head to head.
04-21-2022, 09:04 AM
Remember...Drugs can kill. 
