I don't know how they're going to do it, but...
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With companies like Porsche and Lamborghini, they’re primary focus is performance, but they have creative control over their vehicles. Corvette is part of a large portfolio of vehicles managed by parent company GM, master of mass produced autos. Doesn’t make sense to them to take creature comforts out of the car and charge more on a mass produced vehicle targeted to a demographic that wants performance AND comfort. Close enough is good enough for them.
I agree, it’s a heavy car but I don’t foresee any lightweight options coming. Same reason they won’t offer a manual is the same reason they’ll never offer a lightweight option: not enough takers to justify the R&D cost.
I agree, it’s a heavy car but I don’t foresee any lightweight options coming. Same reason they won’t offer a manual is the same reason they’ll never offer a lightweight option: not enough takers to justify the R&D cost.
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I’ve been guessing that we might get a lighter weight edition of the Z06 later on in its lifecycle, borrowing from the higher end variants. This particular Z06 literally screams for it.
The modular Bedford 6 frame is where most of the weight savings might be had in my opinion, but changing these materials to something more light weight like magnesium didn't fit in the Z06 budget. Same thing with the magnesium DCT case that was rumored. These type of changes have significant costs and are better suited for the ZR1/Zora price range… but a Z06 Carbon edition that borrows these parts from these upper models would be epic. Regardless, no way this vehicle is losing 500lbs unfortunately. 200lbs would be a significant accomplishment.
The modular Bedford 6 frame is where most of the weight savings might be had in my opinion, but changing these materials to something more light weight like magnesium didn't fit in the Z06 budget. Same thing with the magnesium DCT case that was rumored. These type of changes have significant costs and are better suited for the ZR1/Zora price range… but a Z06 Carbon edition that borrows these parts from these upper models would be epic. Regardless, no way this vehicle is losing 500lbs unfortunately. 200lbs would be a significant accomplishment.
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#43
GM has to get 700lbs out of the ZO6. To say that this is the most track focused car they have ever built, while weighing 3700lbs+ is ludicrous. I think the ZO6 will be an amazing engine wrapped in a let down of a car. If they ever sell the drivetrain as a crate engine, then I will buy one and put it in an Ultima RS, or whichever version they're selling at the time.
edit: I'll compromise and reduce that to 500lbs at a minimum.
edit: I'll compromise and reduce that to 500lbs at a minimum.
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This is why the C8 Z06 as it currently sits should not be priced more than ~$85k, IMO. All it is, essentially, is an engine upgrade package and virtually nothing more.
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So far all the arguments can be reduced to the emotional Starbucks analogy I made earlier. If you want to strip content out of the car than charge me less money. It's simple as that.
The half the car for double the price may have had it's moments due to exogenous factors but that play is over and done with.
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Tires
wheels
brakes
cooling
all panels
software
DCT
Engine
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#48
At the very least, GM could create an "RS"-style lightweighting option package, charge $30k+ for it, have the lap time bragging rights with it that elevates the entire Corvette brand, and have a decent amount of takers on that package.
They could offer some of the low-hanging fruiit for this lightweighting package- lithium starter battery, Lexan rear window and thinned other glass, lighter seats, titanium exhaust, removed sound deadening, etc.
They did many of these things on the C5 Z06 to reduce weight; they can do it again at least as an option package.
They could offer some of the low-hanging fruiit for this lightweighting package- lithium starter battery, Lexan rear window and thinned other glass, lighter seats, titanium exhaust, removed sound deadening, etc.
They did many of these things on the C5 Z06 to reduce weight; they can do it again at least as an option package.
Does it look like it is needed at the moment?
#49
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That's what a track focused car feels like. If you don't want that, get a Carrera or a Turbo. The corvette corollary would be, get a Stingray or a ZR1. The Stingray is the car for the Saturday morning tee time crowd, and the ZR1 is the perfect car for the I just want to mash the pedal in a straight line and go fast while having all my conveniences, crowd.
For a group of "car enthusiasts" like Corvette owners, who hold tradition and history so important, it is hysterical to watch so many forget that ZR-1 stood for Zora Racer 1. And the first ZR-1 cars were anything BUT "having all of my conveniences". No power steering, no radio, no AC....
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Enlighten us of what that wider perspective is.
So far all the arguments can be reduced to the emotional Starbucks analogy I made earlier. If you want to strip content out of the car than charge me less money. It's simple as that.
The half the car for double the price may have had it's moments due to exogenous factors but that play is over and done with.
So far all the arguments can be reduced to the emotional Starbucks analogy I made earlier. If you want to strip content out of the car than charge me less money. It's simple as that.
The half the car for double the price may have had it's moments due to exogenous factors but that play is over and done with.
- Some lower weight components are of greater cost.
- Removing things from the car, and producing alternative (lower weight) components in lower numbers results in higher cost per car produced.
- Yes, there is also marketing BS and you are charged for branding / exclusivity.
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GM has to get 700lbs out of the ZO6. To say that this is the most track focused car they have ever built, while weighing 3700lbs+ is ludicrous. I think the ZO6 will be an amazing engine wrapped in a let down of a car. If they ever sell the drivetrain as a crate engine, then I will buy one and put it in an Ultima RS, or whichever version they're selling at the time.
edit: I'll compromise and reduce that to 500lbs at a minimum.
edit: I'll compromise and reduce that to 500lbs at a minimum.
The alternative is to buy the other 3000 pound wet, 670 HP NA Flat plane sports car that costs $90k that is on the market........ Oh wait, there isn't one. What price is there a stock car that meets your criteria?
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And Congress has to stop spending more $$ than it receives in revenue.
I'll skip holding my breath for either that or GM pulling 700 pounds out of the Z.
I'll skip holding my breath for either that or GM pulling 700 pounds out of the Z.
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I thought this may be obvious but:
- Some lower weight components are of greater cost.
- Removing things from the car, and producing alternative (lower weight) components in lower numbers results in higher cost per car produced.
- Yes, there is also marketing BS and you are charged for branding / exclusivity.
- Some lower weight components are of greater cost.
- Removing things from the car, and producing alternative (lower weight) components in lower numbers results in higher cost per car produced.
- Yes, there is also marketing BS and you are charged for branding / exclusivity.
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I think the problem with asking this question is understanding the fundamental reason why the car weighs as much as it does in the first place. I'm sure they weren't just adding on weight arbitrarily while flipping potential customers the bird. Lightweighting has been a holy grail for a lot of track rats but, I suspect that some concessions are always made. With that being said, the effort involved in trying to make the C8 lighter from the factory is likely not going to happen in any substantiated way from GM. Maybe a couple of small parts here in there to take 20-40lbs off but, nothing like 700lbs. We are well past the C5 and C6 years of analog vehicles with minimal safety features, creature comforts or anything of that sort. Could GM pull it off? You bet. But it would be an incredibly niche vehicle at an exorbitant price that GM will most likely sell next to none of.
I'd love a lighter weight Corvette but, I have to be realistic. If I want that out of my C7 or higher Corvette, I have to do it myself.
I'd love a lighter weight Corvette but, I have to be realistic. If I want that out of my C7 or higher Corvette, I have to do it myself.
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I think the problem with asking this question is understanding the fundamental reason why the car weighs as much as it does in the first place. I'm sure they weren't just adding on weight arbitrarily while flipping potential customers the bird. Lightweighting has been a holy grail for a lot of track rats but, I suspect that some concessions are always made. With that being said, the effort involved in trying to make the C8 lighter from the factory is likely not going to happen in any substantiated way from GM. Maybe a couple of small parts here in there to take 20-40lbs off but, nothing like 700lbs. We are well past the C5 and C6 years of analog vehicles with minimal safety features, creature comforts or anything of that sort. Could GM pull it off? You bet. But it would be an incredibly niche vehicle at an exorbitant price that GM will most likely sell next to none of.
I'd love a lighter weight Corvette but, I have to be realistic. If I want that out of my C7 or higher Corvette, I have to do it myself.
I'd love a lighter weight Corvette but, I have to be realistic. If I want that out of my C7 or higher Corvette, I have to do it myself.
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