LT7 confirmed
#121
Le Mans Master
Why does everyone keep going on about a CPC version of this thing? Everything about it is engineered around dealing with the vibration characteristics of the FPC. You can't just drop a different crank in there and call it good.
If they do a DOHC V8 it's going to be very different from this motor.
If they do a DOHC V8 it's going to be very different from this motor.
#122
Le Mans Master
I’ve been saying it for awhile, I still don’t believe they designed the modular Bedford 6 frame on accident. At the ZR1 price point, perhaps they’ll splurge on light weighting materials for some of those components as well as others to offset some of the additional weight due to the FI engine and perhaps beefier components to deal with the added power.
#123
I’ve been saying it for awhile, I still don’t believe they designed the modular Bedford 6 frame on accident. At the ZR1 price point, perhaps they’ll splurge on light weighting materials for some of those components as well as others to offset some of the additional weight due to the FI engine and perhaps beefier components to deal with the added power.
#124
Le Mans Master
I agree, to do a proper CPC, you would want to change the bore/stroke ratio (even if you stay with the same displacement), the crank (obviously), the intake track (to accommodate TT) and fuel injection (to provide adequate fuel for the TT). The valve train would not necessarily have to change, but likely would as well. I think that is why that engine is called LT7 (instead of LT6 with TT).
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#125
Le Mans Master
#126
Le Mans Master
LT7 is going to be a twin turbo version of the LT6. The details from the leaked TT CAD way back before the launch match up exactly with the LT6 block and heads. It's the same engine but with turbos hanging off the sides, and a water to air intercooler setup on top. LT6 + boost = LT7.
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#127
Le Mans Master
Obviously. I was more addressing this continued nonsense that it'll be cross-plane.
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#129
Le Mans Master
fpc works very well with turbos as does the higher revs
when running really high cyl pressure, engines live a bit better in the 6-8k range
It sounds daft, but when you thing about it, the piston spends less time at TDC under high pressure and has more firing events
even with the old LS pushrod motors we boost a muv at 6-8k and run higher boost there to make power and the cars are much faster
with the DOHC, this becomes much easier as the valvetrain is better with the solid lifter cams
I don't think the 7 will be as much different and it doesn't seem to want a CPC anymore. Look at what the euro guys do with their TT engines
GM will follow suite as there are some financial and engineering advantages with "less change" What makes you guys so sure the bottom end won't take to the boost?
I see a stronger lower compression piston, and maybe some better rods. With the 6 already turning up 8500 that's the sweet spot for a nice high PSI TT, why change it?
Turbo engines are a bit easier on the bottom end and by varying the boost with decent traction control the car will be a hoot
when running really high cyl pressure, engines live a bit better in the 6-8k range
It sounds daft, but when you thing about it, the piston spends less time at TDC under high pressure and has more firing events
even with the old LS pushrod motors we boost a muv at 6-8k and run higher boost there to make power and the cars are much faster
with the DOHC, this becomes much easier as the valvetrain is better with the solid lifter cams
I don't think the 7 will be as much different and it doesn't seem to want a CPC anymore. Look at what the euro guys do with their TT engines
GM will follow suite as there are some financial and engineering advantages with "less change" What makes you guys so sure the bottom end won't take to the boost?
I see a stronger lower compression piston, and maybe some better rods. With the 6 already turning up 8500 that's the sweet spot for a nice high PSI TT, why change it?
Turbo engines are a bit easier on the bottom end and by varying the boost with decent traction control the car will be a hoot
#130
I agree, to do a proper CPC, you would want to change the bore/stroke ratio (even if you stay with the same displacement), the crank (obviously), the intake track (to accommodate TT) and fuel injection (to provide adequate fuel for the TT). The valve train would not necessarily have to change, but likely would as well. I think that is why that engine is called LT7 (instead of LT6 with TT).
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#131
Le Mans Master
The block also needs to be changed. Currently, each pair of cylinders is completely isolated from the other 3 pairs. That won't work with the firing order and piston sequencing in a CPC. A DOHC CPC will be an entire new engine, not just a few new parts in the LT6. All the leaked and rumored information is that the LT7 is an FPC based on the LT6, not a CPC.
I assumed the LT7 would go with CPC, but your argument is convincing. Both engines were designed side by side, so now I tend to lean to the LT7 being FPC as well.
I still think there will be plenty of internal changes to accommodate and optimize the boosted engine.
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#132
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The block also needs to be changed. Currently, each pair of cylinders is completely isolated from the other 3 pairs. That won't work with the firing order and piston sequencing in a CPC. A DOHC CPC will be an entire new engine, not just a few new parts in the LT6. All the leaked and rumored information is that the LT7 is an FPC based on the LT6, not a CPC.
There ARE several head variants going into production, I'm sure there are several block variants as well.
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#133
I know the old leaked cad showed turbos but I wonder of GM are going to just put the 160hp/125 ftlb electric motor on the front of the Z06 and call it done. 830hp awd with the same great sound as the Z06. Yes, 300 lbs heavier but 830 hp puts it at 4.8lb/hp vs Z06 at about 5.5. Competitive with the Ferrari 296. Add a bit more juice and competitive with the SF90
#134
Le Mans Master
I know the old leaked cad showed turbos but I wonder of GM are going to just put the 160hp/125 ftlb electric motor on the front of the Z06 and call it done. 830hp awd with the same great sound as the Z06. Yes, 300 lbs heavier but 830 hp puts it at 4.8lb/hp vs Z06 at about 5.5. Competitive with the Ferrari 296. Add a bit more juice and competitive with the SF90
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#135
Agreed. But it's interesting to note that none of the other manufactuers have gone that high with turbo V8s. Not saying GM couldn't of course. Mclaren's 765LT , while likely underrated, is 100 off and Ferrari does 770 with the SF90 before electric motors.
#136
Drifting
But I agree on the configuration, I'm leaning towards a twin-turbo flat-plane LT7 for many reasons I've touched on earlier.
#137
Le Mans Master
They are 4L engines. LT7 will likely be 5.5L.
#138
Le Mans Master
#139
Drifting
Talking about the sealed bay block here - why not - both cpc and fpc use a common shared crankpin, sharing the successive even/odd rods. Both of these cylinders are 90 degrees apart in each configuration, and from the sealed vacuum scavenging side, at most they may have to re-clock the oil scavenger pump lobes assuming they're timing them with any sealed bay pressure pulses, to account for the pairs of crank throws which are twisted apart to form the fpc configuration. The pressure pulses in each of the 4 sealed bays would have the same harmonic characteristics in each sealed bay. Now, intake and exhaust flow will be very different in a cpc but that's more block-independent.
Differences in the fpc block could be more aligned with stronger clamping head seal - bolts and strength items / cylinders and coatings. I wouldn't expect it to be drastically different though.
Differences in the fpc block could be more aligned with stronger clamping head seal - bolts and strength items / cylinders and coatings. I wouldn't expect it to be drastically different though.
#140
Your're right, a lot more than meets the eye to convert from FPC to CPC.
I assumed the LT7 would go with CPC, but your argument is convincing. Both engines were designed side by side, so now I tend to lean to the LT7 being FPC as well.
I still think there will be plenty of internal changes to accommodate and optimize the boosted engine.
I assumed the LT7 would go with CPC, but your argument is convincing. Both engines were designed side by side, so now I tend to lean to the LT7 being FPC as well.
I still think there will be plenty of internal changes to accommodate and optimize the boosted engine.