As a juvenile or "youth" as we call them today he will definately not be doing 25 years. Even adults serving life 25, after 25 years are almost always granted parole back into the community he or she offended!

The label "Life" just means that when the offender is back living in the community he or she has to live under court imposed conditions.

Parole often convinces victims families that the justice system has let them down and the hurt and aguish starts up again knowing that the offender is getting his life back together when the victim's families lives can never ever be the same.

My prayers are with the Styles family and on Tuesday I will be there to see a brother off...

 

Link to leave a reflection for Constable Garrett Styles.

 

The news is reporting that the 15 yr old driver is a quadrapalegic from the rollover and was formally charged in the hospital. Sad, 2 families utterly destroyed.

 

Yes the sentence would be the same but the parole ineligibility changes (it is 7 years for 14-15 I think). He would need to be tried as an adult for the 25 year lock out. Given that he is 15 years old the crown would most likely push for a psychological assessment to see whether he can be tried as an adult. Looking at the circumstance I would think that would be successful.

 

I would strongly advise the young person to fight the "move-up" to adult court. he's going to need to need a lifetime of therapy and treatment especially now that he is a quad. He can't get that i the adult system. For all the people who have him tried, convicted, and sentenced; he is a quadriplegic, 15, and about to be tried for 1st degree murder he's been punished enough imho.

 

I am unsure how the damage the kid caused himself by his own actions/decisions should in anyway be a mitigating factor in the sentence he received for killing a police officer.

Sorry, even if you give back all the money after you rob a bank, you've still robbed the bank.

FYI to those interested, Funeral is Tuesday in Newmarket.

 

You are very sympathetic to this Youth and that is admirable to a certain point, but were you aware that this Youth was a burden on society and his community throughout his upbringing prior to this incident and now he has fulfilled his destiny by becoming a lifelong burden and a drain on society and unless he finds a cure for Cancer or a similiar miracle later in his life (highly improbable) he will alway be supported by yours and my contributions to society which in my opinion definately could go towards more deserving people.
In addition to this burden he has single handedly destroyed two families with many victims in his short life.
I dont know if you have even visited on of our correctional institutions, but it's not called CLUB FED by the inmates for no reason!
An average inmate cost you and I the taxpayer about 100 k per year to house, feed, provide medical, provide dental, provide eyecare, educate, and supervise. Tack on another 10 k for a maximum security inmate, and to look after a handicap person it's well over 150 k per year. (With 13000 inmates in Canada that's like buying each CF member both USA and Canada a ZR1 each year!!!)

This may sound mean and heartless, but however you do the math this kid is not a winner, unless maybe someday his organs save some people whom have tried to live a decent life and has contributed in a positive manner to society.

If you are offended I apoligize, but if it was your dad, brother, or son that was killed by this young man you may have a change of heart.

It's just my opinion and by the way I would like my ZR1 in black.

 

 

I couldnt agree more. I will see you on Tuesday at the funeral.

I have expressed my views before, but Ovid did that for me.

 

I fully agree also, sadly - but IMHO this never had to happen.

The entire matter seems absolutely stupid from the beginning and now continues in perpetuity so long as this kid is living and death benefits keep flowing to the officer's family. IMHO it would seem the officer involved made an error in judgement also in reaching in to the perp's vehicle for the keys. This looks like a dumb 15 year old kid out joyriding - something I never did but know many who had, back in the day. Police actions toward our current society seem (to me) overall to be waaay too amped up - most evident from the G20. To be clear, by "amped up" I mean unnecessarily escalated.

I do not know the full details nor do I mean to offend by laying any blame on Const. Styles but I do hope that this event sends a signal to all LEO's that everyone benefits when efforts are put forth to more rationally and calmly resolve situations like this. If there is any takeaway at all, this is the best I can come up with.

Let's all have a safe and fun weekend out there. Be cool.

 

after sharing this sad story with a number of my LEO buds in the US, the conclusion of all discussions is a resounding response...

" we would not have a dead officer, most likely a dead driver & possibly other occupants of the stolen mini-van "

the attitude & response of more & more people , when directed by an LEO is getting worse as time goes on

officers need to have training in how to resolve issues, wether on the side of the road or crowd situations which will not result in LEO deaths

no i am not a Police officer but i do have tremendous respect for the tasks/situation they place themselves in , on a daily basis

lets face it folks, a large number of people the LEO deals with are decent individuals but more & more the LEO has to deal with a scumbag human that has no care or consideration if the LEO is harmed or killed

to have to bury an LEO , for attempting to serve & protect is outrageous & un-neccessarily sad

i push for a different approach in training, for the future of our Canadian LEOs

jmo

 

,,,except I will take a white one,,,,

suicide watches should be outlawed,,,,

 

a quick search finds the numbers of Officers killed in the line of duty in the USA does not support their statements,,,,but that is for another time,,,,,
funeral is tues,,,R.I.P.

 

Really, have you been paying attention to what's going on in the world. I doubt you'd see a G20 style protest in Syria. Snipers would put an end to it in short order.

Personally I'm in awe of the restraint police officers display. I've personally had training to deal with belligerents. Myself and my fellow soldiers all had the same common reaction at the beginning of our training. Cap a few rounds at the offender. After training we learned that you can't start with slamming the hammer down.

Anyone who has played sports knows what adrenalin is all about. Physical confrontations with ill minded individuals will lead to similar feelings and the same difficulty with maintaining your cool.

That said at the end of the day these people we are talking about are parents, mentors, community volunteers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters. They should not have to give their lives. Everyone should expect to make it home safely at the end of their days work whether you’re an tradesmen, fire fighter or law enforcement officer. Anything less is unacceptable.

 

Most instances starts off as a relatively minor incident this however was kind of serious (in this incident the 15 yrs old was driving at almost twice the speed limit, with no real training or experience in a car taken without consent), but it is neverless a dynamic situation.

A dynamic situation is just that...something that can spin out of control in a moment notice.

All you can do is react, and sometimes your first reaction may not alway be the best option, but a police officer is put in a situation whereupon he has no alternative but to make a decision in a split second and PC Styles made the ultimate sacrifice by trying to do what he felt was the right thing.

Armchair quarterbacks can second guess this incident till the cows come home, but none of us were there with PC Styles.

Adrenaline could have been a factor, but imagine you stopping a child driving at a reckless speed, you too may have wanted to terminate this incident before someone was killed by this child operating a 2 ton projectile.

I'am not supporting the actions PC Styles chose at that fateful moment, but I was not there. I just know that he tried to do what he did in the interest of public safety.

We all know as rational adults that a vehicle is just property and can be replaced, but if that vehicle sped off an killed an innocent person or the passengers in the vehicle then PC Styles would probally have been critisized for not trying do his duty to try to preserve life and to stop this irrationally behaving teenager.

Youths today have been handed a Carte Blanche to Anti-social behaviour by the Canadian justice system knowing quite well that they will not have to face the same consequence as an adult in our society.

I feel that is unfortunate since it has spawned a generation of selfish disrespecting soon to be adults, whom do not know what it is like to have to deal with responsibilities in a civilzed society.

I'am not saying every child out there is bad, but if one choose to be or was mentored to become anti-social they do not have to face a stiff consequences and that is just wrong.

Sorry for venting, I have definately gone on too long and I have not mentioned anything about Corvettes in this reply so I will stop now!

 

Ok guys .. were deff getting off topic here.. this is more of a condolences thread not a debate or a bashing thread..

 

Yeah I apologize...but they started it. lol

I will definately stop now.

 

the entire body of yer intial thread was about details of what happened

only yer last line was condolences

you stated he was dragged 300 m

that is a long long drag

can't blame folk to be outraged

i believe it is both healthy & a must that Canadians discuss openly this sad event...have officials take steps to not have this happen to our LEO's again & again

or we as collective Canadians stick our heads in the sand, say how sad & it will happen again

do laws need to be changed , does new training need to be implimented

will all youth now be considerate lawful people when directed by LEO's in the future...come on - wake up Canadians

no need to appoligize this will continue to affect all of us

 

Sincerest condolences to his family.

 

for whoever is intrested Someone on ebay is selling a Garrett Styles 1405 Diecase Police car. All money raised from this sale will go to his children ( this is not my ebay listing) just something i came across and would like to promote to get as many people bidding to help his family!.. I am the highest bidder tho!

Garrett Was a great coworker and I am deeply sadden by the loss and for his family and 2 little kids.

Thanks Everyone!

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