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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 07:14 PM
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That is one badassed lookin' ride James.
Hope to catch up with you some day and learn more about the ownership experience vs. Vettes. Insurance, cop-treatment, tax man cometh, maintenance, depreciation, all that aside it must be a thrill for you every time you walk up to it carrying the key!!!


Here's my experience....

so the cool factor of the car is like no other, heck when you listen in to a few guys chatting about who's car is what and so on I've stayed quite till asked, then you just mention Gallardo and the conversation changes lol

I will say the car is an Amazing machine, very well built and basically trouble free and low maintenance which is great. Insurance, took two weeks for them to decide to cover it or not. but wasn't expensive at all especially considering the cost of the car.

you basically instantly become rock star like

and while at first that is cool and different it really really can get overwhelming. what i mean is, when driving down the highway very often someone is trying to take a photo and most of the time no big deal, however when it's the driver of the car and they are so busy trying to take a picture they for get they are driving .... which often causes them to cross several lanes without noticing. stopping anywhere is never brief, and odd everyone has the 'need' to put their hands all over the car, and on a black car that shows a lot.

All and all, was a great experience and something I'm glad I was lucky enough to have had but I am getting an offer to sell the car for what I purchased it for so think I'm going to move back into a Corvette. Just trying to decide to go with a ZR1 or the new C7 (and wow there is a crazy amount of topics on that LOL )
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All and all, was a great experience and something I'm glad I was lucky enough to have had but I am getting an offer to sell the car for what I purchased it for so think I'm going to move back into a Corvette. Just trying to decide to go with a ZR1 or the new C7 (and wow there is a crazy amount of topics on that LOL )

ZR1 for the first 2 years then jump to a c7z
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ZR1 for the first 2 years then jump to a c7z
Do you think they will make one? the ZR1 was C4 then skipped C5 to become late model C6 so with history maybe 5-6 years from now if it doesn't skip a gen again.

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Thanks ! This year I plan to take my son driving a lot so will be a good reason to get out.
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Originally Posted by -=ICE=-
Here's my experience....

so the cool factor of the car is like no other, heck when you listen in to a few guys chatting about who's car is what and so on I've stayed quite till asked, then you just mention Gallardo and the conversation changes lol

I will say the car is an Amazing machine, very well built and basically trouble free and low maintenance which is great. Insurance, took two weeks for them to decide to cover it or not. but wasn't expensive at all especially considering the cost of the car.

you basically instantly become rock star like

and while at first that is cool and different it really really can get overwhelming. what i mean is, when driving down the highway very often someone is trying to take a photo and most of the time no big deal, however when it's the driver of the car and they are so busy trying to take a picture they for get they are driving .... which often causes them to cross several lanes without noticing. stopping anywhere is never brief, and odd everyone has the 'need' to put their hands all over the car, and on a black car that shows a lot.

All and all, was a great experience and something I'm glad I was lucky enough to have had but I am getting an offer to sell the car for what I purchased it for so think I'm going to move back into a Corvette. Just trying to decide to go with a ZR1 or the new C7 (and wow there is a crazy amount of topics on that LOL )

If you can sell the G for about what you paid, DO it.
If you want to similar (better? / more accessible) performance then do the ZR1, or a C7.
But if you enjoyed the cool factor and positive reactions - get a classic Vette
(or a restomod for the cool and the performance.)

Side benefits are you probably won't ever lose money on a "done" restomod or classic, and the insurance/plating is cheaper too!
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulUptime
If you can sell the G for about what you paid, DO it.
If you want to similar (better? / more accessible) performance then do the ZR1, or a C7.
But if you enjoyed the cool factor and positive reactions - get a classic Vette
(or a restomod for the cool and the performance.)

Side benefits are you probably won't ever lose money on a "done" restomod or classic, and the insurance/plating is cheaper too!
that car of yours is Awesome ! If my son was older i would be looking for a C1 or C2 100% ! the thrill of driving the C2 was just an experience on it's own and I REALLY enjoyed it ..

so my thoughts on the two, I do like the ZR1 not only for the power but the hand building care that goes into the car. I think it has to be the best C6 with that wide body, motor and really everything about it ! If i found a JSB I think it would end all discussion. However I have spoken (online) kljwith a guy that has a Mint looking red one and it has my interest.

C7 I do like that new exotic look GM went for, I do think they hit it on the nail apart from the azz end, but I have some simple idea's that i believe would fix it for me. That being said I do really enjoy new cars and the toys that the 2014 would offer. I have been leaning towards a white or the blue in either convertible or coupe with comp seats etc ...

My interest in the two cars are different and why I think it has been a bit of a roller coaster to decide, the basis of the choices don't follow the same pattern so I think thats what has me still on the fence.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 10:25 PM
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most recent rumors regarding the C7Z are 625hp/635tq/ My guess is that they will NOT make a more performance enhanced C7 after the Z. U.S. Price for the Z is expected to be $80k+. plenty of "power for the dollar" since its expected to be S/C. Id still do C6ZR1 with its CCB, prob could find one for $70k. or you could wait till c6 prices start to drop since the c7 will be in full swing and GM starting to offer some wicked C7 offers/incentives. I say within 6 mths and you should be good.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-z...e-numbers.html

if seriously considering ZR1, please take note that there are LS9's out there with reports of Intake valve guide issues. LS7 (c6z) major issues with the exhaust valve guides and a machining error with the manufacturer of the heads. From the research I do, if leaving the LS7 stock, its a ticking time bomb, don't believe me just head on over to the c6z06 discussion and lots of new threads with blown engines due to this issue. Also, the LS7 uses 1.8 rocker arms while the LS3 and LS9 use 1.7 rocker arms. Some say the new 1.8 rocker arms plays a role in this. Either then that, the LS9 is a very stout engine. bottom end is fully forged.

"On quality and durability. The 6.2L Supercharged LS9 has been validated beyond 100,000 miles and accumulated more the 6,800 hours of dynamometer testing. It has run over 100 consecutive hours at wide-open throttle without a failure. It's been road tested in the world's extreme climates and track-tested under racing g loads on some the world's most demanding circuits. It has completed actual and simulated 24-hour track tests. "

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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 11:26 PM
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most recent rumors regarding the C7Z are 625hp/635tq/ My guess is that they will NOT make a more performance enhanced C7 after the Z. U.S. Price for the Z is expected to be $80k+. plenty of "power for the dollar" since its expected to be S/C. Id still do C6ZR1 with its CCB, prob could find one for $70k. or you could wait till c6 prices start to drop since the c7 will be in full swing and GM starting to offer some wicked C7 offers/incentives. I say within 6 mths and you should be good.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-z...e-numbers.html

if seriously considering ZR1, please take note that there are LS9's out there with reports of Intake valve guide issues. LS7 (c6z) major issues with the exhaust valve guides and a machining error with the manufacturer of the heads. From the research I do, if leaving the LS7 stock, its a ticking time bomb, don't believe me just head on over to the c6z06 discussion and lots of new threads with blown engines due to this issue. Also, the LS7 uses 1.8 rocker arms while the LS3 and LS9 use 1.7 rocker arms. Some say the new 1.8 rocker arms plays a role in this. Either then that, the LS9 is a very stout engine. bottom end is fully forged.

"On quality and durability. The 6.2L Supercharged LS9 has been validated beyond 100,000 miles and accumulated more the 6,800 hours of dynamometer testing. It has run over 100 consecutive hours at wide-open throttle without a failure. It's been road tested in the world's extreme climates and track-tested under racing g loads on some the world's most demanding circuits. It has completed actual and simulated 24-hour track tests. "
Thank you for that info, are most ZR1's still under warranty? Has GM offered corrections or just wait for failure/blown motor?
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as far as the warranty aspect, Im sure if you picked one out from a GM used vehicle lot, you could get a warranty, but if you track the car, kiss that warranty good bye as they can check the data recorder/"black box" and see how the car has been treated and what caused the catastrophic failure, how fast you were going, what rpm's, etc. same goes for doing mods on the car. with the higher price of the warranty repair, the more of a big stink GM will put up. not so much the dealer. Service is where the $ is made at a dealer so they want to do the repair but with a $15k repair, they would need to get confirmation through GM to do it.

as far as the failures, GM gave a statement which can be found here:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...confirmed.html

DO NOT BELIEVE THAT STATEMENT. Its just GM protecting their ***. it says small amount of 08-11 cars. ********. more like all year LS7 (06-13) and I wouldn't doubt if the new z/28 which will also be using the leftover LS7 engines will start seeing problems. every week on the c6z06 forums sections atleast 5 new threads with blown engines due to dropped valves. if GM knew their was definitely a machining error why not give these owners a lifetime warranty on the issue. or give them a free inspection of the measurements of the valve guide wear ATLEAST! Nope nothing. GM doesn't give a **** about loyal $80,000+ car customers
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if GM knew their was definitely a machining error why not give these owners a lifetime warranty on the issue. or give them a free inspection of the measurements of the valve guide wear ATLEAST! Nope nothing. GM doesn't give a **** about loyal $80,000+ car customers
It is sad but if you look at the story of Ford and the gremlin will tell you why. there was a recall on cars that would catch fire and to fix this would just need to add a $12 part to the production per car, and recall the cars out to get it installed. they looked at the total cost for this to implement then compared it to the death suits they were fighting and decided to just keep dealing with the death suits as it was a lower out of pocket option.

Wheres the justice?

So with that in mind I am not surprised that GM would know of an issue of blowing motors and not want to offer an inspection as that would suggest admittance of a problem. This might greatly effect my decision and thank for bringing it to my attention. I plan to keep reading up on this and how many have problems. Maybe this is why so many ZR1's have really really low km's?
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Originally Posted by family-man
most recent rumors regarding the C7Z are 625hp/635tq/ My guess is that they will NOT make a more performance enhanced C7 after the Z. U.S. Price for the Z is expected to be $80k+. plenty of "power for the dollar" since its expected to be S/C. Id still do C6ZR1 with its CCB, prob could find one for $70k. or you could wait till c6 prices start to drop since the c7 will be in full swing and GM starting to offer some wicked C7 offers/incentives. I say within 6 mths and you should be good.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-z...e-numbers.html

if seriously considering ZR1, please take note that there are LS9's out there with reports of Intake valve guide issues. LS7 (c6z) major issues with the exhaust valve guides and a machining error with the manufacturer of the heads. From the research I do, if leaving the LS7 stock, its a ticking time bomb, don't believe me just head on over to the c6z06 discussion and lots of new threads with blown engines due to this issue. Also, the LS7 uses 1.8 rocker arms while the LS3 and LS9 use 1.7 rocker arms. Some say the new 1.8 rocker arms plays a role in this. Either then that, the LS9 is a very stout engine. bottom end is fully forged.

"On quality and durability. The 6.2L Supercharged LS9 has been validated beyond 100,000 miles and accumulated more the 6,800 hours of dynamometer testing. It has run over 100 consecutive hours at wide-open throttle without a failure. It's been road tested in the world's extreme climates and track-tested under racing g loads on some the world's most demanding circuits. It has completed actual and simulated 24-hour track tests. "
You have to remember that every manufacturer has some cars with failures. As for the LS9`s, I think it`s a lot less than the LS7`s problem, but look at the Nissan GTR`s first couple of years with the launch control, if you use it , it will most likely destruct the drivetrain.
Lots of issue`s on car forums of every make.
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No car really is perfect or trouble free.

Regardless if i go for the ZR1 or the C7 they both are impressive cars in their own direction..
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No car really is perfect or trouble free.

Regardless if i go for the ZR1 or the C7 they both are impressive cars in their own direction..

An interesting consideration - costly but might be worth it - would be to sign up for the ZR1 performance driving school at Spring Mountain (located about a 50 minute drive outside Las Vegas). I was at the 2 day ZR1 school late November '13. Some of the driving activities were performed in C7's. Therefore, you drive the ZR1 and the C7 at the same school and it might help with your buying decision. Contact Donna. I'd recommend the 3 day course.

If you're still undecided about the ZR1 come good spring weather (April/May), if interested send me a PM and we can go for a drive in my '13 ZR1.

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It is sad but if you look at the story of Ford and the gremlin will tell you why. there was a recall on cars that would catch fire and to fix this would just need to add a $12 part to the production per car, and recall the cars out to get it installed. they looked at the total cost for this to implement then compared it to the death suits they were fighting and decided to just keep dealing with the death suits as it was a lower out of pocket option.

Wheres the justice?

So with that in mind I am not surprised that GM would know of an issue of blowing motors and not want to offer an inspection as that would suggest admittance of a problem. This might greatly effect my decision and thank for bringing it to my attention. I plan to keep reading up on this and how many have problems. Maybe this is why so many ZR1's have really really low km's?
It was the Ford Pinto, not Gremlin.

Gremlin was an AMC product
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Originally Posted by Vernon
An interesting consideration - costly but might be worth it - would be to sign up for the ZR1 performance driving school at Spring Mountain (located about a 50 minute drive outside Las Vegas). I was at the 2 day ZR1 school late November '13. Some of the driving activities were performed in C7's. Therefore, you drive the ZR1 and the C7 at the same school and it might help with your buying decision. Contact Donna. I'd recommend the 3 day course.

If you're still undecided about the ZR1 come good spring weather (April/May), if interested send me a PM and we can go for a drive in my '13 ZR1.

Regards,
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Drive school that sounds like a blast ! I did a day at Mostport track not this last summer but the one before I had a Panamera and Porsche did the day with instructors, it was something else to see what you can push your car to do and not be looking for sirens LOL ..

That offer to go for a ride, Thanks !! If you get bored before and don't mind a visit check the car out and look over it I would appreciate it. Don't get to see either really in person, so i'm trying to decide on two cars i can't see LOL ..

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It was the Ford Pinto, not Gremlin.

Gremlin was an AMC product
That's what was .. was thinking same looking car, but thanks for the correction (and not being smart lol)
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Gremlin was an AMC product

very true hzz, but Fords do have a lot of gremlins
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Old thread ....

Update ... when I can i truly ENJOY my ZR1, and actually its the current title holder of longest car I've owned... just an amazing machine!!

Hopefully everyone is enjoying their summer!
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