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Old May 16, 2005 | 11:33 PM
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OK, I feel stupid asking this, but I am having trouble keeping a clear shine on the black Z06. I used the Porter Cable to polish all of the spider web and swirl out. Washed with Dawn. Then applied NXT. It looked awesome, like looking into a smoked mirror. One day in the hot sun (81 degrees) and I am getting hazy cloudy areas. Looks like sh*t.

The kicker is it has happened with most any wax I have used. Always after it sits for a period of time. The sun just speeds it up. Have tried 4 Star Ultimate Paint Protectant, Maguires High Tech Carnuba (use it on my other black cars with no problems), Mothers, etc....

For a time I thought it was because my polish (1Z Metallic) had carnuba in it and was gassing off under the Tech waxes, but it also happened under carnuba wax. So I switched to Perfect It (3M) to polish, then wash with Dawn, then the NXT. I followed the same procedure on our Black Maxima and it has no haze. The only thing I can think of is that I didn't wait a total of 24 hours, more like 18, for the second coat of NXT. But I have had the same haze using only one coat of other products. I am stumped.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 12:11 AM
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The primary reason we leave a haze on the car - in spots - is because we prefer to lightly buff the wax off leaving a cloudy surface. I would not press to hard with a microfiber towel because I have seen those scratch my car. I stopped using them altogether in favor of the Waffle Weave towels. A good terrycloth with a short nap should work. Just press a little harder and it will come right off.

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Old May 17, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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I would agree, however if that were the case, would it get progressively worse as time goes by? By this I mean that the areas grow in size. Also it seems to be in the same location, no matter which product I try.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by VETFVER
I stopped using them altogether in favor of the Waffle Weave towels.
Waffle weave towels are a type of microfiber.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 01:26 AM
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Here are links to the towels I use.


Microfiber:
http://www.detailersparadise.com/View.asp?ProductID=603312005617062%2D691 513519674

WaffleWeave :
http://www.detailersparadise.com/Vie...82%2D249136542

I don't believe that it is the towels. These are some of the finest available. Better than the Maguires waffle weave by a long shot, much softer and more absorbent.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 07:29 AM
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Dont know if it will help , but do you rewash the car or wipe down the car with alcohol/water prior to sealing/waxing ?? I do it for two reasons, one most polishes have some fillers or content that may not be totally removed from the finish, and while wiping the car down with water or alcohol (after polishing) it tends to easily accenuate any missed polished or heavy spots. The other plus is that the finish is then ready for whatever sealant or carnuba I choose without worry that one line wont mesh well with another line.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 09:07 AM
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Yes, I was with Dawn after polish before the wax step.
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Old May 17, 2005 | 09:16 AM
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Hazing:
A clouding,smearing or a dull look to the paint film surface after removing residue usually occurs when there is an excess of product applied in high humidity conditions and moisture is trapped between the fast drying top layer and the lower layer of the hydroscopic wax. The paint films surface temperature being cooler than the outside air accelerates this process by allowing the top layer of wax to harden before the lower level.

To elevate this allow more time for the wax to completely set-up (dry) before removal. Alternatively lightly spray the surface with distilled water, the excess wax will adhere to the water droplets and can then be wiped away with 100% cotton micro fibre towel
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Old May 17, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ZaneO
Waffle weave towels are a type of microfiber.

Microfiber looks to me like it is made up of fuzz ***** that can grab, pull, and scratch. I could clearly see scratches in the wax if not the clear coat on my car. When I rub my hands across a microfiber towel, I can feel it grabbing at the cracks in my skin. Waffle weave on the other hand is made up of different sized woven ***** in a Waffle Weave pattern. It is my understanding that the Waffle Weave towel is designed to absorb water where microfiber is designed to remove clinging particles.

I am treating them as two distinctly different towels in my garage.

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Old May 17, 2005 | 02:02 PM
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Again I will say, waffle weave towels are a type of microfiber.

Education, not speculation...

http://autopia-carcare.com/inf-microfiber.html
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Old May 17, 2005 | 06:37 PM
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Hi ZaneO:

In my head at least they are two distinctly different towels. I see where the word Microfiber was used in the description of a Waffle Weave drying towel. If Microfiber is the name of the family then some other name should be used to describe the ones used for removing wax as opposed to the ones used for drying. In my mind anyway, Microfiber is made up of fuzz ***** and a Waffle weave pattern is used to describe the drying towel made up of various sized ***** of material. I can't get it through my thick head that they are the same towel with just different kinds of *****.

I very much agree with this...

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The most versatile microfiber product I have discovered to date is the waffle weave detailing towel. Originally designed to be a drying towel, the waffle (Piqué) weave has the best characteristics of several different weaves, making it adept as a drying towel, polishing towel, glass cleaning towel, and a quick detailing towel. The Piqué pattern does not allow it to be a good cleaning towel because it does not have hooked fibers to pull dirt away. If you’re looking for a single towel to do the most work, go waffle! Choose a light grey or white waffle towel (these are the softest) in a medium weight. The heavy weight towels are good for drying only. For drying, the best size is 25’ by 36” (bath towel size). For all other work the best size is 16” by 26” (hand towel size).

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There are no "*****" on the towels they are strands with different weaves on different towels. A picture of an individual strand was pictured.

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