Tiger Joe

Well I’ve been meaning to give the two daily’s their pre-winter wax so last weekend I decided to order up a bottle of High Gloss to try.

My daily is a 2012 BMW 535. Just bought it used in February. Had the dealer prep before I bought it and it looked great. I’ve been maintaining it with Collinite 845 and bead maker.

car needed no correction. Just a quick prep. I decided to lay down some more 845 as my base and top with HG.

Of course I didn’t get a chance to snap a pic outside was dreary all day. Here is a crappy pic in the garage under my LEDs



So after I got done with the BMW I kinda stepped back and thought ok is this really better than bead maker? Honestly I wasn’t sure- then my wife walked in the garage and said “is that the new stuff?” I said yes why and she said she could tell it was a much deeper,richer shine.

so for me verdict is still out on High Gloss. I was a big fan of bead maker but want to try this out.

question- online I read this should last like 6 month. Is it ok to layer it? Like come back in a month or two and throw another coat of HG on the car?

ill try to get some better pics in the daylight

BIGMAC

I get better results with Polish Angel RapidWaxx topped by Beadmaker.

Loki 6

Hi Joe, and congrats on stepping up to PA HG.

I suspect you might run into some smearing issues if you are combining 845 and PAHG.

845 is polymer and carnauba based. PAHG is primarily TiO2 (about 85%) with about 5-10% of SiO2. Typically SiO2 and carnauba don't play well together, and 845 has a reputation from time to time to "sweat" a little bit on it's own. PAHG was not really intended to be layered on any wax as far as I know, perhaps the only exception being PAHG paste wax. I do layer it constantly on an SiO2 topper like 1 Step Master, but any high end topper of 25% or more SiO2 would likely be the same. If I were you, and you wanted to use PAHG, I'd strip off the 845 to avoid the Carnauba/SiO2 conflict and build an SiO2 based sacrificial layer first, then layer PAHG till your heart's content. Because BM is a polymer (well technically a monomer until it bonds with the panel), it would likely do better with the 845 than the PAHG would do.

Here is a link to PAHG wax
https://www.esotericcarcare.com/poli...oss-paste-wax/

Here are some shots of PAHG stacked on top of 1 Step Master and nothing else on the ceramic coated car should you want to get an example of an SiO2/TiO2 based stack on a ceramic coated car. 1 Step is the sacrificial layer on the coating and PAHG rides on top for razor sharp reflectivity. Even if the car is not coated, you can still use 1 Step on the bare clear coat and then top with PAHG all day long!







Makes sense to me Big Mac. Rapidwaxx is basically carnauba and polymers together if I am not mistaken, and we all know BM is a bottle of slick and glossy polymer goodness. Looking at the chemistry profiles, they are congruent on paper as I suspect they would be on a panel. For the record, I have zero first hand experience with Rapidwaxx, but I suspect our good resident SledgeBunny @BudgetPlan1 can give you some wonderous stories about it with photos too!

As for Beadmaker, I would think that we all have had or still have a marvelous comfort zone with the bottle of orange goodness.

Best to both of you for a wonderful Thanksgiving
Loki6

Tiger Joe

Got a couple pics outside. Overcast today so still not the best. I can definitely see it’s a deeper, richer shine compared to bead maker. So far no ill effects of using high gloss over 845.

BudgetPlan1

Rapidwaxx is a neat product, wish I had a way to fit it into my routine. Beads are better formed than Beadmaker, hydrophobics and longevity eat Beadmakers lunch. I ran Beadmaker & Rapidwaxx side by side on a hood back in January 2019.

As for appearance, so subjective; the co-workers I corralled for opinions were split evenly between the more shallow, yet somewhat brighter, sharper gloss of Beadmaker vs the more relaxed, slightly more glass like gloss of Rapidwaxx.

Slickness and overall feel were similarly split with some preferring the more overt slickness of Beadmaker and others liking the softer slickness of Rapidwaxx. Who knows if they were accurate judgements or just humoring me in a "Oh geez, he's asking us to stare at and touch paint again 🙄" kinda way 😄

According to the SDS for Rapidwaxx, there is a touch of SiO2 and TiO2 in the mix too although noted as "...< 30%" so that's kinda open to interpretation as to the actual impact of that.

It's all very arbitrary in the end 😄 Everybody settles into what they like best regardless...as it should be.😎

Rapidwaxx SDS:

CamarosRus

Loki, On Thanksgiving I ordered PA High Gloss from Esoteric on their 5% off sale.

I'm trying to avoid ordering TAC One Step Master and Shinee Wax from Carzilla (now that I have High Gloss)

I was planning to use Sonax Perfect Finish or More Car Pro Essense on my Inferno Orange 12 Grand Sport just because............
I also have JESCAR Power Lock + Polymer Sealant & I have some older Black Fire SiO2 (Liguid) Sealant....

Ive bought so many products Im in a state of confusion on working up to Polish Angel HIGH GLOSS

Please offer your opinion on what steps I products, I should move fwd with ..............

I need to break out my printed posts that Ive copied/saved from this forum

Thanks, Chuck

Loki 6

Hello Chuck,
I hope you and your loved ones had a safe and joyous Thanksgiving if you celebrated. I'm happy to learn you spent some of the Thanksgiving holiday acquiring PolishAngel High Gloss. Welcome to the club my friend, I suspect your discerning eye will be quite satisfied with your purchase...I'm truly excited for you and to hear you review.

So where do we go from here is your question, eh? Well you threw out a bunch of information that I not only do not wish to discard and gloss over, but I wish to understand and discuss further so I can assist you to the best of my abilities. Disclaimer right now...I have not inspected your car, so I am going on your word in regards to it's present condition

Some preliminary comments/questions about your current situation:

• I'm sorry Chuck, but I don't remember if your car is currently coated with an ceramic coating, an SiO2 sealant, or a polymer sealant. What exactly is on the car now...all products riding on top of the clear coat?`
• Furthermore, you mention you would be polishing with Essence or Perfect Finish. This would likely remove any sealant (SiO2 or Polymer) and likely wear down a proper coating anyhow. I'm also wondering if it is indeed necessary or why is it necessary to shave any clear coat in the form of polishing? Simply stated, does your car need to be polished? I recently used CarPro Essence+ and applied by hand. Essence+ is similar to a polish in that it will rejuvenate a ceramic coating and remove any oxidation and staining, BUT, and this is a big BUT - it contains ZERO abrasive properties, so it will not eat away at my Modesta Coating. It has some extremely minor filing properties, but it will not eat away microns of clear coat; especially since I applied by hand and not DA There are no cutting agents in the recipe.
• So, I'm wondering if that might be a better step for you instead of polishing. Besides, Essence is meant to be a last step polish and primer for a ceramic coating. Typically, one would use Essence and then lay down a ceramic coating. If I was going to do I basic one step or maybe an AIO, I don't think I'd reach for Essence...Likely Perfect Finish for a good basic polish, or the new Rupes Uno for an great AIO. Maybe a Rupes Yellow Pad to make it simple.

So what the heck do you do?

Well, if I were you, I'd want to do just about everything possible to make PAGH feel "welcome" on your car so it can deliver the stellar performance I am sure you are expecting to see. Basically a good amount of prep, and proper accompaniment product selection.

As I mentioned I just used Essence+ since my coating has been on my car for nearly a year and I've had things like 1 Step, PAHG, and Shinee on my car for most of the season. So I performed a good strip wash and some minor chemical (not mechanical) decontamination before I applied Essence+. I wanted to get everything off the car except the Modesta coating, so I could start to layer and stack from the beginning on an unoxidized and close to perfect coated clear coat as I could. I suggest you first do the same.

Then, If you are going to polish with a DA you might as well se if the car needs to be clayed since you would be polishing next. Should you decide not to polish, skip the clay bar step.

At this point you would be ready for a coating or a sealant of some kind. FIRST - Do a thorough panel wipe with a good IPA ( I like eraser) or Bilt Hamber Panel Cleanser (my new favorite) if you want to be a total McDaddy Baller. Even though Powerlock Plus is one of my two favorite polymer sealants, I'd probably go with an SiO2 based sealer since it would be preferable stay in a similar if not the same chemistry profile like PAHG, which even though is primarily TiO2, there is SiO2 in there. So if you don't want to go out and pick something up like 1 Step or Glasscoat Cosmic V2., use the Blackfire SiO2 sealant you currently have there. I have zero experience with it, but people speak relatively highly of it, so I suspect it will serve you well my friend.

Apply, let sit untouched for 24 hours, then apply the PAHG and enjoy!

I hope that helps. Please let me know if I can assist you further, and please keep us up to speed on your steps and products you used before applying PAHG.

Best to you my friend,
Loki6

CamarosRus

LOKI, I'll never be able to repay all the great advice youre trying to impress upon me.......

I forgot to mention that I bought the Brian Splitler / APEX Detail recommended

1)Extreme Solutions LVR403 Foam Pad POLISHING / GLAZE
2) Extreme Solutions POLY SEAL Hybrid Polymer Spray Sealant
3) Extreme Solutions LVR357 Magnum Wax
(which was Brians Cherry on the Top of PA High Gloss)

Extreme Solutions PolySeal is a hybrid sealant, which means, PolySeal is a synthetic wax infused with SiO2. The SiO2 is bonded with the synthetic wax and the wax is what sticks to your vehicle’s surface! The result is, that not only can you apply it to any surface, but you get the very best of both worlds! You get that velvety smoothness and high shine of a wax, as well as, that great hydrophobic protection of a ceramic coating!

TAC Systems One Step Master contains ~25% SiO2. One Step Master is a water based non-hardening Silica based coating.
One Step Master seems to be more chemical quality than Poly Seal at a significantly higher price per Mil-litre

Have I out spent YOU on buying more STUFF than I'll ever use

Chuck S Auburn, WA (where???)

Loki 6

Hi Chuck,

If you want to repay me, use the advice all of us have collectively contributed to this section of the forum, not just me, apply to your car, go to a show, and bring home the hardware!

It looks like you purchased some really awesome products from Xtreme Solutions. I'm a big fan of the PolySeal and the Magnum Wax.

It's funny, I was not completely familiar with actual PolySeal ingredients and a month ago I started blending 2 products that I like to make something that appears to be very similar. I call it ShineeLoad and it is Shinee Wax which is primarily a synthetic wax spray (paraffin wax) mixed 6:1 with Reload which is a 5% SiO2 Spray Sealant.
Check it out:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...inee-load.html

I'm not sure how any of this helps you out with your original question which was what should you do to maximize your PAHG experience without having to purchase the products I use in conjunction with PAHG - 1 Step and Shinee. Also, you never answered my question about what products are currently on the car and is it ceramic coated.

With Polyseal and Magnum together you have an incredible combination that likely does not need PAHG, but I'd still do a real proper strip wash and maybe put PAHG off to the side as you experiment with the Xtreme products for a while.

I try not to accumulate too many products, even though I'd love to have a bottle of just about everything. For me, it's not a question of spending money on such things actually. It is a question of overwhelming myself with too many options and getting stuck in analysis paralysis. While I do enjoy testing new products, I like to have a proven system of products, or a second variation of products that produce remarkable results every time... a lazy comfort zone I can gravitate to to get results that both satisfy me and compel me to continue to employ said system of products.

I try never to have more than 2 of the same type of product at once. Example - I have 2 SiO2 infused waterless washes and that's it! I have a non SiO2 infused waterless wash and I don't want another one, until this one runs out. I have only 1 snow foam. I have two contact wash shampoos. Only when one of them runs out will I finally replace it with one that I have been patiently waiting to purchase. This is something that I adhere to, but please feel free to go out and purchase a bottle of everything so that I can live vicariously through you my friend!

Here are two photos taken today. This was the first time I touched my car since last week's multi-day preparation for last Sunday's exhibition at Fairchild Gardens. The multi-day prep included (but was not limited to) a proper strip wash and a reapplication of 1Step, PAHG and ShineeLoad. Today, I gave the car a snow foam wash, a contact wash and a reapplication of ShineeLoad.

Please let me know what you decide to do with your PAHG.

Best to you Chuck!
Loki6


ShineeLoad V2.0

ShineeLoad V2.0

Rctreece

"The multi-day prep included (but was not limited to) a proper strip wash and a reapplication of 1Step, PAHG and ShineeLoad."

First off beautiful car. Second thank you for all the info you put out. I have been looking through all the post just learning and i am going to try to replicate your processes. My GS gets paint correction and Ceramic Pro in march but my wifes Challenger is already coated with Ceramic Pro and i want to try out your methods on hers first.

My question is for your topper do you installed those three in that order and how long to wait in between? Thanks

Theron4569

Loki,
I just had my car ceramic coated with CQuartz and use the CarPro line of products. Would you recommend using Polish Angel High Gloss on top of the ceramic coating? Thanks

Ron

BudgetPlan1

As High Gloss is an SiO2 based maintenance product for ceramic coatings, it will work extraordinarily well on top of any coating, Cquartz included.

Theron4569

Thank you very much

Ron

Theron4569

Do you recommend using a sealant like Hydro2 or Reload before Polish Angel High Gloss on my CQuartz? Thanks

Ron

NextOne

I have CQuartz Finest Reserve on mine, and am also curious about PA, too.

For what it's worth, my detailer advised against using Hydro2 as it's difficult even for pros to get it to go on evenly. For coating maintenance he recommended Reload every few months and Hydro2 Lite on the wheels with each wheel wash. So that's my routine.

BudgetPlan1

In my experience, more isn't better. Your coating is a solid product, High Gloss is a solid product so no need to sandwich lesser products in between them. Less is sometimes more.