my supply is running low so (I have my cars ceramic coated with Kamikaze) and use Bead Maker weekly as top coat after I wash my cars - (5 year old dark gray F-150 truck NO swirl marks, 2 year old Burgundy Lincoln SUV NO Swirl Marks) and moms 4 year old green Honda - NO swirl marks)

so looking instead of bead maker - what about these new ceramic spray and wipe? or any detail sprays that are better - should have asked earlier as Auto Geek has some good sales now -

any suggestions - Thank you

 

there is an overwhelming amount of products that would fit the description you mention. I’m not a traditional “detail spray” guy. I lean more towards SiO2 products that enhance or extend the life of a coating or its inherent properties; many act as sacrificial layers to the coating or “coating lite” type of products.

here are a few that I would suggest, you are going to get a bunch of different suggestions from the forum.

xtreme solutions topper
PolishAngel HighGloss or Cosmic Spritz
Tac Systems Shinee Wax
xtreme solutions polyseal


please let me know if you have any further questions.

 

If you have 3 vehicles to wipe down after washes, and you are used to buying Bead Maker, you may be after something extremely affordable since you will be using a lot. My recommendation is the newest product from Wolfgang. The "Uber SiO2 Rinseless" has been working really great for me. It boosts gloss, boosts protection, and has plenty of lubrication so you can use it as a true detail spray (unlike Bead Maker). The bottle of concentrate can be picked up for under $20 when on sale, and even diluted in the detail spray formula will provide you with gallons of usable product.

 

Our CS3 is one of my favorite products.
https://adamspolishes.com/products/adams-cs3Adam’s CS3 is a ceramic infused modern presentation of an active three-in-one waterless wash detailer. Adam’s CS3 was designed to effortlessly deliver a clean, finished surface, generate a ridiculous amount of shine, and protect using the latest in silica resin technologies. This silica-infused waterless wash formulation delivers a gentle, safe, and effective means of cutting through dirt, dust, grease, and grime while remaining absolutely streak-free each and every time.

• Ceramic Infused Spray Coating
• Easy to Apply and Use – Spray On/Wipe Off
• Adds Depth, Gloss, Slickness and Clarity
• Cuts through Dirt, Dust, Grease, Grime and other Contaminants
• Lubricates without Smearing, Streaking or Scratching
• Silica-Infused Formula Leaves Behind a Durable Layer of Protection
• Suitable for All Surfaces both Coated and Uncoated
• Proudly Made in the USA!

 

You cant go wrong with any advice that Loki gives
That being said- The Turtle wax seal & shine is a fantastic product in so many ways- checks off every box.
1) Its affordable- less than $10 per bottle
2) Provides fantastic shine & protection
3)You can get it ANYWHERE practically-- part stores , wall mart , target , etc...
4) no wait for shipping
5) easy to use

For $10 you cant go wrong with trying it out
This new line of TW products is NOTHING like the old TW of the '70's

 

Thanks for your kind words and vote of confidence Macguyver. Its extremely flattering to be specifically mentioned like that especially in a section of the forum where there is a fabulous amount of talented car care gurus.

I try to be as helpful and detailed and honest as I can be. It’s a pleasure to contribute and interact with all the good people here

 

Have been enjoying the Kamikaze coatings on our cars since 2016, both the daily drivers and the seasonal 'toys'. You'd be hard-pressed to find a maintenance product tha does better than their Overcoat offering:


I also use Polish Angel Cosmic or High Gloss Spritzes on occasion, also excellent choices. Cosmic or Overcoat? Thoughts on that here: https://budgetplan1.wordpress.com/ot...OSMIC_OVERCOAT

Lotsa ways to 'skin this cat' but these have worked very well for me. YMMV. 😎

 

I agree with you on the TW products. Throwed out most of stash and have settled on the SealnShine and the Spray Wax. They do everything that I'm looking for. Inexpensive and just go to WalMart to refill.

I put a layer of the sealant on after washing the car then 2-3 coats of the wax between washings. Only takes 20-25 minutes for each layer.

 

I’d go with what Fyr stated diluted down to detail strength, Beadmaker will mask the better hydrophobic properties of a coating. I’d save that for a sealant protected vehicle. Budget likes OverCoat which is a fantastic product and plays great will everybodies coatings and is fantastic as s sacrificial layer with great water behavior.
But they are not detail sprays.

 

If we’re going to talk about “homemade” or mixed at home shine enhancers and such....I make and use this one. It’s been around for a while now, used to be called Merlin’s Elixir. I call it BMJ - blue magic juice.

CarPro reload, Ech2o and distilled water. Gloss and slickness and protection.



Recipe for BMJ - 2oz Reload, 2oz ECH2O, 18-20oz. Distilled Water

 

Might be worth mentioning that occasionally you may run into a "1 step forward, 10 steps back" situation when trying new things.

As a convicted "Product Overload Specialist" I have indeed run into a few situations where one of my latest, greatest ideas to "make things better" ended up making things decidedly worse, all the way to having to remove a coating as it just couldn't recover from a "Seemed like a good idea at the time" escapade.

While I have no issues w subjecting my daily driver to various experiments, I really do (believe it or not 😄 ) kinda stick with 'less is more' w our Cars That Matter.

I'm not saying one should avoid trying new stuff over existing products but rather just that you should be aware that it's possible you *may* run into a situation that sets you back a bit. It's rare, but it has happened to me and it was quite irritating, probably mostly cuz it reminded me that I'm not as smart as I think I am, something I'd think I'd be used to by now...repetition and all 😄

By all means, try new stuff...that's part of the fun of this for us hobbyists/addicts...just try it on your wife's car first. 😎

 

Experiment on the DD until you find the "the" combo

Until then , go with what you know or from a reliable trusted source

 

I use the Kamikaze Overcoat.

Be aware that a little goes a long way, a very light spritz on the towel, thats it. Otherwise you'll streak the hell out of it.

 

I’m so disappointed Feynlabs has not replenished stock in their product like this. Our ‘66 doesn’t get much use and only if weather radar says clear skies. BUT I’d like to refresh the Ceramic Lite I put on almost 2 years ago. Would I be doing harm to put this Kamikazi Overcoat on top of my Feynlabs Lite?

 

in theory not a problem at all to use Overcoat over ceramic lite

However after 2 years or so, the ceramic lite is pretty much gone by now.

 

I’ve probably put maybe 1500 mikes on it since applying Lite back in Spring 2019. Really doesn’t need washed but maybe 1-2 times a year. So given it’s a collector car rarely used, stored under cover inside, what would cause the coating to be gone? I’m not challenging your experience, this is a Sunday afternoon cruiser. I really wouldn’t mind if the Lite was gone ‘cause I’d shift to another product line. Should/could I just apply another ceramic right over the Lite? Maybe I should start a new thread. Finish still beads like crazy.

 

The fact that it still beads like crazy means you have some protection-- how much is another story, that could be from a QD you could be using.
Getting washed only once or twice per year-- but youve put 1500 miles on it, man I would have to be washing mine ( rinse-less though with a collector car to avoid water damage )

You gotta remember those are just estimates as far as timeframes go-- and with yours being in a enclosed environment & covered, your probably gonna still be OK- LOKI had no idea of how your car was used ( rather not used )

As far as the new thread goes - you might want to consider, some "Purists" consider that Hi-jacking a thread-- me, it doesnt bother me @ all

 

I’m sorry Lots, if you mentioned that the car hardly gets used and sits covered in a garage, I totally missed that, I apologize for my mistake.

and thanks macguyver, I foolishly and incorrectly assumed it was driven more than Lots drives it.

you are both correct, if it still beads like crazy, there’s protection there...again my bad.



moving forward, overcoat or any other high end SiO2 sealant/topper would not only inflict no damage to the Feinlabs product, but it will reinforce and replenish the SiO2 protection you’ve laid down. I think it would be well worth it to experiment with these types of products after a good wash.

 

Loki, Absolutely no apology needed or warranted. I didn’t give any details on use of the car. You certainly did not offend. I’m very grateful for your input. We live in the country and it’s primarily driven on twisty country roads or to a rare car show. So literally I just take water and micro fiber to remove bug juice after a several hour cruise. I’d like to freshen up or maintain the ceramic finish. But I assume I’d need to buff to switch to another product. But maybe that assumption is all wrong. You guys here in this forum are my only group of knowledgeable folks. I love the performance of the ceramics but maybe it’s just my old routines/habits of periodically waxing.

Anyway, I’d like to pick a product line with one of these sprays that refreshes the ceramic treatment...... but don’t want to screw up a VERY expensive paint job or buff. And also enjoy caring for the car myself.

I’m ready to change product line. Can I just re-treat over the Lite with Adam’s or Kamikaze?

Very grateful to you guys. And Happy New Year!

 

Happy New Year to you too Lots!

yes, as I stated in my last post you can apply the overcoat on top of your current product. You can also look at products like PolishAngel Glascoat Cosmic V2.0, TAC Systems 1Step Master, Gyeon Can Coat. All amazing products too and will accomplish the same goal.

I’d also look at an SiO2 product that you can use for a quick waterless wash/detail spray all on one. the thinking is that you’d want to maintain and clean the clear coat with a bit of SiO2 in each application. this is a product that you could use if the car has a light amount of contamination on it and doesn’t need a proper wash. Or, for use after a proper wash for added shine and a kick to the SiO2 topper. Think of it as a detail spray in a sense

these days this category of products has melded into waterless washes and detail sprays combined. It’s not just about getting a common or basic “detail spray” it’s now a hybrid product category.

There are a bunch of great products that you could use to do this. I’m sure the gurus here will chime in, but I’ll throw out a few to get you started

• the new Uber rinseless wash with SiO2- the blue one. Mixed at different ratios and deployed in different ways, it can be more of a waterless wash or detailer, or even both simultaneously. Great little product here!
• xtreme solitons - jersey devil mixed with topper combo. You can use together or use each as a standalone
• CarPro reload mixed with CarPro Ech2o - I use this quite often.
• Adams CS3 stand-alone

And lastly, if you don’t already have one, I’d look at using a real high end shampoo for your contact wash. I’m addicted to CarPro Reset. I’ve used a bunch of different shampoos but haven’t found a better one for what I like...and that is lubricity and straight up cleaning power. Reset was also designed to enhance ceramic coated cars by “resetting” the SiO2 in the coating. I’m not certain of the science behind that (if any at all) but it is sincerely the best freakin soap I’ve used. I’m also a fan of xtreme solutions extreme suds car shampoo

best of luck and please let us know if you have any other questions.

Loki6