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Old Aug 31, 2004 | 06:02 PM
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Can you Layer NXT...Someone told me it has cleaners in it so it can't be layered..I think that is BS who is right?
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I'm right

NXT DOES have cleaners/abrasives in it. More than 2 coats will be useless.
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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 08:25 AM
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but can those 2 coates go over a gloss or will it remove gloss?
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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 10:02 AM
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but can those 2 coates go over a gloss or will it remove gloss?
Hi Villian C5,

2 thin coats of NXT will always look better than one coat. This is true of most waxes on the market. Here is a black Corvette we polished out last week during an extreme makeover of a Corvette, and a Maserati Bora,


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Here's before,


Here's the results after Joe, (a 17 year old young man), polished out the finish using #80 Speed Glaze with the PC, and then applied 2 thin coats of NXT Tech Wax.



Before applying the second coat of Tech Wax, we pulled the Corvette out of the garage and into the sun to inspect the finish, it looked great, but not as perfect as it did after the second coat.

I took pictures of the first coat of Tech Wax as well as more before, during, (process), and after pictures, which I hope to upload and insert into the above thread next week. My son was in an accident last week and it put me behind on the thread.

The cleaners in NXT Tech wax are very sleight, it's not like a true cleaner/wax in any sort of way. The chemists that formulated this product told me that subsequent applications will always leave more polymers behind than it will remove until the point of diminishing returns has been achieved.

The best thing to do is to try it yourself and then inspect in multiple light conditions and make up your own mind.

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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 01:42 PM
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Mike-
Thank you for the info and pics
Sorry to hear about your son, hope he is doing well after his accident.
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Old Sep 1, 2004 | 02:05 PM
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Ok so...say you put a coat of the tech wax on then the next day put a coat of the booster on...is this really adding another layer like another coat of tech was would or what.

when I was using nxt I put the tech wax on and after a few washes I would apply some booster but I never noticed it looking any deeper or better each time I put another coat of booster on.
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 12:54 AM
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From what I have heard it does indeed help a little. However, Nxt is so easy to apply and remove I would personally just put on another coat instead of going with the booster. For the little extra time you are getting a better seal and better protection.
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 08:26 AM
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Who makes NXT and where can you buy it?
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Who makes NXT and where can you buy it?
Meguiars and Wal-Mart, Auto Zone, Advance, etc.
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Old Sep 2, 2004 | 02:43 PM
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Meguair's NXT Tech Wax doesn't have any abrasives in it. I use it on my black Z06 and if it had any abrasives, I'd see it since my paint scratches just looking at it the wrong way.

It does have a little bit of cleaner in it, but not enough to prevent you from layering it.

NXT also has a filler in it (or glaz) to fill in small imperfections such as scratches and swirl marks.

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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 04:43 PM
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I just tried it this week..... put on one coat then the booster...the shine on the red vette was unbelievable....took her out in the rain street mud to see how it would stand up. After using the NX wash the shine was slightly diminish. So I applied another coat of NXT..the shine was not as brillant as appling the wax then booster, so my conclusion ....wax on then booster to bring out the NXT wax
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Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
Here's before,

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Hey Mike ,

Is that truly the same Vette ??? Sure did a nice job of making those high polish wheels look bright white in the "after" pic. And where did all that rear tread come from ??? What did you do for prep work , as we all know NXT wont do that out of the bottle.

Sorry to hear about your son ....

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Old Sep 4, 2004 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Phillips
Hi Villian C5,

2 thin coats of NXT will always look better than one coat. This is true of most waxes on the market. Here is a black Corvette we polished out last week during an extreme makeover of a Corvette, and a Maserati Bora,

Before applying the second coat of Tech Wax, we pulled the Corvette out of the garage and into the sun to inspect the finish, it looked great, but not as perfect as it did after the second coat.

I took pictures of the first coat of Tech Wax as well as more before, during, (process), and after pictures, which I hope to upload and insert into the above thread next week. My son was in an accident last week and it put me behind on the thread.

The cleaners in NXT Tech wax are very sleight, it's not like a true cleaner/wax in any sort of way. The chemists that formulated this product told me that subsequent applications will always leave more polymers behind than it will remove until the point of diminishing returns has been achieved.

The best thing to do is to try it yourself and then inspect in multiple light conditions and make up your own mind.

Mike
First off, hope that your son is OK...
Second good advice! How long do you need to wait between coats. Like the cream NXT and fills the slight cobwebs well. At Carlisle I got some spray and was told that it was to be used between coats (like Z6?) I'm skeptical that the spray can fill these lines. I inspect under florescent lights. But it shows what I want to see. (Well, maybe I don't really WANT to see them, but I can ) no surprises under bright sun.

Also, since some threads here say that it doesn't last that long (not a problem with me, as long as it fills lines) can it be applied once every couple of weeks or does it need to be removed first?
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Old Sep 4, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Killrwheels
Hey Mike ,

Is that truly the same Vette ??? Sure did a nice job of making those high polish wheels look bright white in the "after" pic. And where did all that rear tread come from ??? What did you do for prep work , as we all know NXT wont do that out of the bottle.

Sorry to hear about your son ....
The second pictures was taken in very bright sunlight with my Cannon Rebel, 6.3 mega pixel camera. I never monkey with any of my photos except to crop and resize for use on the web, the brightness of the wheels is just from the sun. The camera was set to full auto mode as I'm actually not much of a photographer.

For prep-work, we used #80 Speed Glaze on a yellow W-8006 foam pad on around the 4.0 to 5.0 setting. This only did a mild cleaning job on the finish, but still dramatically improved it.

I've invited Joe back to go over the Corvette again with a little rotary buffer work and some #83 on on the PC. I couldn't get to involved the first time as I was also working on Maserati Bora at the same time.

Also, the Corvette finish has what looks like solvent-pop in the hood and headlight covers, so my natural inclination is to be very cautious as I don't want to buy Joe a new paint job, (not that I don't like you Joe, but I have a hot rodded 1959 Cadillac in primer that needs paint www.bad59.com )

I'll try to load the rest of the pictures from this detail next week, my hard drive is completely full from extreme makeover photos and this is forcing me to start getting caught up in uploading photos.

Mike

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My big man is doing so much better, thank you everyone for the kind words.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Dan
First off, hope that your son is OK...
Second good advice! How long do you need to wait between coats. Like the cream NXT and fills the slight cobwebs well. At Carlisle I got some spray and was told that it was to be used between coats (like Z6?) I'm skeptical that the spray can fill these lines. I inspect under florescent lights. But it shows what I want to see. (Well, maybe I don't really WANT to see them, but I can ) no surprises under bright sun.

Also, since some threads here say that it doesn't last that long (not a problem with me, as long as it fills lines) can it be applied once every couple of weeks or does it need to be removed first?
The NXT Spray Wax is just a spray on, wipe off wax for revitalizing your previous results without having to apply a real coat of wax. Some people like it, some people don't. A friend of mine that drives a Miata doesn't like it because he can apply a normal coat of wax and remove it in the same amount of time.

I like it. I use it on by my 73 Blazer and the 04 Pilot, (Black), for me it's faster, but then I've been using it for quite a while and I have the technique down. I've been working on a tutorial because I know some people aren't sure how to apply and remove it. (Kind of like ScratchX), it's all in your technique.

Photos taken from this thread on NXT Spray Wax

Here's my daughter spraying NXT Tech Wax onto a foam applicator pad,



Here she is applying the Spray Wax with the foam applicator pad,





If she can do this on black paint, anyone can do it.

Mike

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Another method of applying a Meguiar's Spray wax is to apply it using a microfiber polishing cloth such as Meguiar's Ultimate Wipe. Here she is spraying NXT Tech Wax onto a clean, folded Ultimate Wipe, (With this technique, it works best to use the same side for the entire application process).



First she moistens one side of an Ultimate Wipe and then she can either spray some NXT Spray Wax onto the finish, or continue to spray some onto this same side of the Ultimate Wipe as she works her way around the Pilot.





After applying a thin coating of the NXT Spray Wax, she removes it using a fresh, clean, dry Ultimate Wipe,





It's quick and easy, but it takes applying and removing it a few times to become experienced and good at it.

As far as using NXT Spray Wax in-between coats goes, you can if you want, it's always better to allow your wax to fully set-up before disrupting it with water or another product however. I tend think that applying two coats of anyone's wax and allowing them to set-up is the best practice before applying a spray wax or a quick detailer.
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As far as how long a wax will last goes, the above pictured Corvette looked pretty bad the first time I saw it, (the before photo), before we did the makeover on Joe's Corvette, Joe purchased some NXT Tech Wax and applied two coats with no prep work. A week later, he came by for something, I forgot what and showed me his results, I almost pulled my hair out! I needed some more before pictures that showed his Corvette looking like it did in the before picture, and that was horrible. To my dismay, it now looked pretty good.

I asked Joe to wash/scrub the Corvette down 2-3 times with Dawn dish soap before he brought it back for its makeover to try and remove the Tech Wax, he told me that when his dad saw what he was doing, (trying to make the paint look horrible again), he thought his son was nuts! To may dismay, even after a thorough Dawn wash, the finish still looked great.

In order to remove the wax, I scrubbed the hood down 4-6 times using some type of harsh solvent, followed by our All Purpose Cleaner, (which can be used for de-waxing), followed by 2-3 aggressive applications of glass cleaner. And when we were all done, and backed it out into the sun, it still looked pretty good, but we were able to get enough of it off to make the paint look like it did in the before shot.

Joe's Corvette with two coats of Tech Wax after being washed with Dawn. This photo has been cropped out of the original, and resized to 600 pixels wide.



Joe's Corvette after chemically scrubbing the finish with three different chemicals to remove what Dawn didn't.

(The below two photos are RAW photos. They have been cropped out of the original, but they have not been resized or altered in any way. These were taken with my Sony FD97 2.1 mega pixel camera because it's better at capturing cobweb-effect.




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Then the after shot after polishing with Speed Glaze and applying two thin coats of Tech Wax.




Hopefully Joe will find the time to bring it back and will go after the deeper scratches that we didn't get out the first time.

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Good pics, Mike. Those swirl/scratches would drive me for sure. Are you saying that Speed Glaze will get those out???
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Good pics, Mike. Those swirl/scratches would drive me for sure. Are you saying that Speed Glaze will get those out???
With a rotary buffer, and the right pad, Speed Glaze will remove a lot of the lighter and medium scratches, we applied it with the PC and it removed the lightest swirls, but merely smoothed over the rest and restored a nice rich, clear looking finish. (It was pretty hazy to start with). Joe e-mailed me and he's going to bring it back and were going to carefully go in and do our best to massage out more of the scratches and swirls, mostly form the vertical sides, and a little from the horizontal sides. His film-build, (Paint Thickness), is questionable, so it will be better, but it won't be perfect.

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