Can the WIN light ever go On In Both Lanes and be CORRECT? !!

 

I would think if both cars finished with the same ET, then that might happen and they have to run again. I'm not familiar with the rules, just guessing.

 

No as far as I know there has NEVER been a Tie race.. the time slip will go to .0001 but the clocks go to .000001 so there CANT' be a tie..

 

While I believe there is little chance of a tie, the fact that the clock does not go out to an infinite amount means it will not be able to tell who won if both drivers run the same et to that nth number it can record.

Now that said, I would think there is code that prevents both win lights from lighting.

In addition, the chances of have, not one, but two, cars run the same to that nth decimal about about as likely as you and that dancer you were so hot about a few months ago JP

 

Does a win light mean a win? Can there be two winners? Does the elusive, next to impossible TIE, produce two winners? I think not. It only produces a run off, or rerun to determine a winner.

RACE ON!!!

 

The correct answer is there CAN be two win lights.. & TWO winners...

At a NHRA event when they are running "Class Eliminations" A/S vs A/S B/S vs B/S etc.. if there is only 1 car in A/S and 1 car in B/S or D/SA they will have both cars run at the same time... Being they are the LAST car in the class it is "effectively" a Single.. both cars are making a single pass, but NHRA will run them both at the same time to save time.. Its an automatic win for BOTH cars because they are the finalists in their respective class..

 

Nice one John! That's one of those great trick questions.

 

The only problem with that statement is ONE car in each class.. Why are they running if there is only one car??? Wouldn't they have won already?? Of course if both classes have one car each that could make the last round.. that would be different...

Just asking !!!!

Ernie

 

I admit to being lulled into thinking the two cars were racing one another, and agree they are both winners of their classes (not the heat they ran side by side in), but how do you get dual win lights?

RACE ON!!!

 

In "Class" eliminations each "Class" race for class title/Trophy...

so if there were 6 or 7 cars in A/S they would run each other "heads up" in eliminations.. if there were an even amount of cars like 16 or 8 it would come down to a final of 2 A/S running each other heads up for class winner.

However there are many classes (oddball) G/SF (front wheel drive) or some odd classes that have only 1 car in it.. that car MUST stage and take a green light to win its class..

This year there B/FIA (B/Fuel injected Automatic) was down to the last two cars who should have raced each other in the B/FIA final.. however one of then could not make it (broken trans) so the last B/FIA had a "competition single" in the final.... there was also only 1 car in O/SA who also had to make a "competition single to win its "Class trophy" NHRA had both of them line up.. as soon as each car took the green, a win light went on in each lane.

(Disclaimer) I am NOT sure of which classes they actually were, I just used B/FIA and O/SA as an example...

 

How do you get the "WIN light" to "go On In Both Lanes"

As in the case of a dual foul start, where it is impossible for both bulbs to go red, I believe it is impossible for both win lights to come on for the same run.

RACE ON!!!

 

During qualifying/time runs both lanes can go red.

 

Ok, Now that makes since.. Kinda thought that but was just making sure..

Ernie

 

I tend to agree with CFI-EFI on this one, I'm thinking there is some-kind of a 'lock-out' on the win-lights in that once one illuminates, the other one can't, unless there is some type of 'over-ride':
both lanes would be declared CLASS Winners, but the 1st to the stripe would probably be the only lane to get a Win Light if neither fouls.....

 

Glen you are correct.. each lane is on a "technical single" & each lane would win his calss...

Even if 1 car is a 13.00 and the other is an 11.00 they Both get a Green at the Same Time

I was at the O'Reilly Nationals this year and I saw Both Lane WIN Lights Go ON INSTANTLY As soon as the green went on.. Both Win lights went on!

You are probably right..there must be an over-ride system to permit "Both" Win lights to go on at the same time.. They go on before either car has moved 2' its like Green... INSTANT win light in both lanes

Next time your at a National Event that has "Class" racing watch when its down to the final few...

 

What happens if one car red lights turning on the immediate win light in the other lane but the apparent "winner" makes a full pass and crosses the centerline?

 

I believe the win-light is only hooked into the timing-system to show foul-starts and run-under/good-for-the-win scenarios, not safety-violations, which is what I think NHRA would classify as 'cone-hunting' :
the tower/track staff would over-rule the win-light/timing-system, and advance the red-lighting car into the next round.
(similar to a baseball umpire ruling a batter, who hits a ball out of the park 'out' AFTER signaling a home-run if the batter didn't touch all the bases...... )

 

If you see your opponent's win light come on BEFORE the green light, you
know you didn't pay somebody enough!!!

 

..... here is a question that I have, and I freely-admit.....
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER!!!!!


If a pair of cars is bracket-racing, and the first car to the stripe is under his dial, once the timing-system recognizes that the 2nd car CAN'T run further-under (and is there-fore, the winner ).....

CAN, OR WILL, THE 2nd CAR'S WIN-LIGHT COME-ON BEFORE HE CROSSES THE FINISH-LINE?

 

Glen "IF There is NO Red-light" I have never seen a win light go on until both cars have crossed the finish line...

I think this might be the scenario you are talking about... 2 or 3 years ago my car was running low to mid 12s ... With this in mind.. I entered the 14.00 - 15.99 class.. (We know I can run almost 2 sec quicker than my 14.00 dial)

I was running a Honda dialed at 15.50 My method of racing these slower cars was to hit the tree (NOT KILL IT, I was shooting for.050 lights) every car I ran was slower than my 14.00 dial. I usually would catch most cars at the 330' then fender race to the finish..

Well this Honda dialed 15.5 left.. & I was not gaining on him.. Then I realized he had NO2.. so I stayed in it to about the 1000' (I was in-front by app 10') then I stood on the breaks the last 300 feet giving up the stripe... of course he broke out, but I never saw my win light.. I also broke out but by less..

My question is my 1000' ET was about the same as a 12.3 car would run. as thats what my car was running that day in another class.. If what you say is correct wouldn't the timing system "Think" my 1000' ET equates to app 12.3 - 12.4

I cant answer for sure but the timing system can estimate what a car will run based on its 1000' time (IF The Car stays FULL Throttle) but it CANT tell if its (the car) accelerating or under HARD breaking the last 320'
so based on my 1000' I should have run 12.3 NOT the 13.7 I ran at 67 MPH..