Safety question...
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Safety question...
NHRA tech was closed today so I thought I'd bring this question to you guys.
Will a Simpson STD.6 fire jacket do the trick when running better than 11.50?
What is the legal life of these jackets (time - e.g. two years, # of washings, etc.)
Gary
CC1
Will a Simpson STD.6 fire jacket do the trick when running better than 11.50?
What is the legal life of these jackets (time - e.g. two years, # of washings, etc.)
Gary
CC1
Last edited by gary brown; Dec 29, 2006 at 08:45 PM. Reason: I erringly post this twice
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Gary I don't have the anwer to your question maybe this site will help.
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
On a similiar wave length here. Many of us wear a fire jacket, SA Helmet, even driving shoes
Why don't any of us see the importance of fire resistant pants as well as gloves?
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
On a similiar wave length here. Many of us wear a fire jacket, SA Helmet, even driving shoes
Why don't any of us see the importance of fire resistant pants as well as gloves?
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Gary I don't have the anwer to your question maybe this site will help.
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
On a similiar wave length here. Many of us wear a fire jacket, SA Helmet, even driving shoes Why don't any of us see the importance of fire resistant pants as well as gloves?
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
On a similiar wave length here. Many of us wear a fire jacket, SA Helmet, even driving shoes
Why don't any of us see the importance of fire resistant pants as well as gloves?Thanks for this reply. It could save one or more lives.
Gary
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Yep, I am more than a little annoyed that we have to replace the harnesses every two years. I haven't raced in awhile, but when I started inspecting my restraint system, the harnesses looked as good as new even though I had used them on 125 passes with NO EVIDENCE of any level of wear that could have compromised their effectiveness.
I think this was one of those arbitrary decisions that NHRA makes from time to time that just doesn't make sense. The more cynical side of me has darker suspicions as it may relate to the influence of vendors who might benefit from the rule.
Gary
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St. Jude Donor '07-'12, '20
OK wife gave me her blessing Just ordered a Fire Suit 
Now I have everything but the gloves, guess i'll start looking for them. You know what they say lead by example.
Also ordered a brand new Dewitts Radiator.
Just ordered a Fire Suit Now I have everything but the gloves, guess i'll start looking for them. You know what they say lead by example. Also ordered a brand new Dewitts Radiator.
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If your belts are in good shape ,some of the manufactors will redate them and send them back for a small fee.
The real ? is ,why do you have to wear a croch strap .If you crash that is the worst.They say it is to keep you from sliding foward.I think it is just needed to make you hurt more.
I wear a SF-5 jacket gloves and brain bucket here in Hawaii,I am already burning up
Snell Helmet 95 or SFI 41.1A min 13.99 and faster.
Neck collar required 9.99 and faster.
Protective clothing 11.49 and faster.
The real ? is ,why do you have to wear a croch strap .If you crash that is the worst.They say it is to keep you from sliding foward.I think it is just needed to make you hurt more.
I wear a SF-5 jacket gloves and brain bucket here in Hawaii,I am already burning up
Snell Helmet 95 or SFI 41.1A min 13.99 and faster.
Neck collar required 9.99 and faster.
Protective clothing 11.49 and faster.
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They don't have to be replaced. If you don't want to send it to me, send them back to the manufacturer for whatever repairs are needed and a recertification.
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they will inspect the entire system (including all hardware and latch-components ), and if the belt-material themselves are in good-condition, they will re-stitch (re-web? ) the hardware into each end of the belt-material (I understood the stitching may be prone to dry-rotting ), and a-fix a new 2-year date-patch.
A smart thing to do would be buy new belts when the existing sticker runs-out and install them, then have your current belts re-webbed/re-certified a few months before your new belts expire, ensuring that you'll ALWAYS have currently-dated belts, especially if you race year-round, like in the deep-South or West Coast:
if the manufacturer has a long back-log, you could be without belts for several weeks, or even months, until you old belts are re-done.
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, that's what tech inspectors are supposed to be for. all the track's i go to the tech people go straight for the date, never pay attention to the condition or installation of the belt's, . you ever pay attention to belt's on most airplanes(commercial) filthy usually, i wouldn't trust those on a garden tractor
. ask around if #3's (Earnhart) tag was current? it was. dosen't matter if they weren't installed properly. there is way more to that whole deal, but on the subject of belt's the tech should have paid more attention to the install rather than date's alone. from what i've been told the circle guy's are on that program pretty good now. the drag people...well we all know the answer to that
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a buddy, with friends inside circle-track racing, told me that immediately after that accident, NASCAR became very-particular 'how' the belts were routed through the aluminum/carbon-fiber seats, something NHRA had been checking on bracket-cars for many years.
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Thankis C4 for the clarification. The above jacket does meet SFI Spec # 3.2/1 and it sounds like you are saying that a jacket meeting this spec doesn't have an expiration date. Did I get that right?
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It's been a few years since I read-up on the rules (CFI-EFI will probably come-along and straighten me out soon-enough..... ), but I believe many name-brand manufacturers (Simpson, Impact, etc. ) don't simply 'redate' the belts:
they will inspect the entire system (including all hardware and latch-components ), and if the belt-material themselves are in good-condition, they will re-stitch (re-web? ) the hardware into each end of the belt-material (I understood the stitching may be prone to dry-rotting ), and a-fix a new 2-year date-patch.
A smart thing to do would be buy new belts when the existing sticker runs-out and install them, then have your current belts re-webbed/re-certified a few months before your new belts expire, ensuring that you'll ALWAYS have currently-dated belts, especially if you race year-round, like in the deep-South or West Coast:
if the manufacturer has a long back-log, you could be without belts for several weeks, or even months, until you old belts are re-done.
they will inspect the entire system (including all hardware and latch-components ), and if the belt-material themselves are in good-condition, they will re-stitch (re-web? ) the hardware into each end of the belt-material (I understood the stitching may be prone to dry-rotting ), and a-fix a new 2-year date-patch.
A smart thing to do would be buy new belts when the existing sticker runs-out and install them, then have your current belts re-webbed/re-certified a few months before your new belts expire, ensuring that you'll ALWAYS have currently-dated belts, especially if you race year-round, like in the deep-South or West Coast:
if the manufacturer has a long back-log, you could be without belts for several weeks, or even months, until you old belts are re-done.
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Jacket and pants or suit 3.2A/15 3.2A/20 Drivers suit ,
Expriation period 5 years.
3.2A/1 showes no expire date at this time.
Common sense will apply to all situations in life.Somethings can be done with minum inspection .You have to step up to the plate and figure some things out for yourself in life.
I have 3 sets of belts I use and send to Simpson to get dated and only one set has not made it in the last 6 years.The fuels and harsh sunlight
fade the belt and weaken the material.
When I got my seat belt ticket they said the belts were not suficant,I told the cop these have to be replaced every 2 years and you would rather see me using a 12 year old unproven belt 2 inches wide than a 3 inch belt with an air bag?
If you ship (regular mail) it makes it a little cheaper ,but they will always send them back the most expensive way.
You also need to keep in mind that NHRA is thinking about making you have all your safety stickers in one place in the car so they can be inspected easier.
I hope Mike Rice can kill that idea.
The 2007 NHRA rule book, I think could have a better picture of the Summit pro stock car on it.I think side views are better.
Yes I hate spending money on something that doesn't make the car go faster.
Expriation period 5 years.
3.2A/1 showes no expire date at this time.
Common sense will apply to all situations in life.Somethings can be done with minum inspection .You have to step up to the plate and figure some things out for yourself in life.
I have 3 sets of belts I use and send to Simpson to get dated and only one set has not made it in the last 6 years.The fuels and harsh sunlight
fade the belt and weaken the material.
When I got my seat belt ticket they said the belts were not suficant,I told the cop these have to be replaced every 2 years and you would rather see me using a 12 year old unproven belt 2 inches wide than a 3 inch belt with an air bag?
If you ship (regular mail) it makes it a little cheaper ,but they will always send them back the most expensive way.
You also need to keep in mind that NHRA is thinking about making you have all your safety stickers in one place in the car so they can be inspected easier.
I hope Mike Rice can kill that idea.
The 2007 NHRA rule book, I think could have a better picture of the Summit pro stock car on it.I think side views are better.
Yes I hate spending money on something that doesn't make the car go faster.
Last edited by REDC4CORVETTE; Jan 1, 2007 at 03:10 AM.