ECS CC Question
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ECS CC Question
In the bracket racing- if both cars break out & the car with the least amount of breakout goes below the car's safety requirements, does that car still win?
(For example a 11.49 run with no cage or a 9.99 run without full cage)
(For example a 11.49 run with no cage or a 9.99 run without full cage)
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However, the track has the final say on this type of violation and may opt not to do that.
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I am going to say unless the track knows you not legal and you run 11.49 you get away with it(at least for that time being) It will catch up with ya sooner or later...
But in the 10.00 being its a rule if you run under your done.. You are not going to get away with it...
But in the 10.00 being its a rule if you run under your done.. You are not going to get away with it...
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sadly, many Track Operators may look the other-way. especially of it is a 'regular paying customer', or a Series sponsor .....
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Obviously we have all dipped under bar/cage et at some point. Tracks understand that is going to happen and will not toss you unless you do it repeatedly.
Don't ever get comfortable that they are not looking because they do. Everyone under 11.50 gets looked at and just cause they don't say anything to you don't think you have not been warned...you know you did it, assume they know you did it.
Don't ever get comfortable that they are not looking because they do. Everyone under 11.50 gets looked at and just cause they don't say anything to you don't think you have not been warned...you know you did it, assume they know you did it.
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In qualifying they usually warn you (i know, been there done that
), and they tell you to Slowww it down or else your out(thats track courtesy) . Now racing in rounds 1 ,2 etc..or the finals you would be DQ in our rules .right??
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I thought that in the finals of eliminations that there is a 2nd run off if it happens within a prescribed time. If it gets repeated then no winner.
This assumes you go under and have the safety equipment/license to do so.
This assumes you go under and have the safety equipment/license to do so.
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My view is - they are both illegal. Nhra illegal . 10.0 or 11.5
In qualifying they usually warn you (i know, been there done that ), and they tell you to Slowww it down or else your out(thats track courtesy) . Now racing in rounds 1 ,2 etc..or the finals you would be DQ in our rules .
right??
In qualifying they usually warn you (i know, been there done that
), and they tell you to Slowww it down or else your out(thats track courtesy) . Now racing in rounds 1 ,2 etc..or the finals you would be DQ in our rules .right??
The track gives you a courtesy warning but you don't start all over the next day. I know of cars who continue to go under 10.0 in any class that are not NHRA legal and expect the same courtesy every time.
Like I always tell everyone, you go under and are not legal, consider yourself warned. Doing it again and coming back and doing it again is just a blatant disregard for the rules and I would be insulted if I were running the track.
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Not so for bracket racing.
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The letter of the law requires any car (or driver) running under their allowable safety ET to be DQ'd....as a practical matter tracks will usually allow that one violation, warn the driver not to do it again and DQ him if he does...they will also tell him/her not to come back until everything is legal...
Remember, the track has the final say even if they make up the rules as they go along and I have seen that happen...
Remember, the track has the final say even if they make up the rules as they go along and I have seen that happen...
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Brackets was the question for Jay , But this might help for index's .
This is what happened at the 10.oohh this weekend.My buddy Eddie drove my Vette which is legal to go 8.50,but Eddie does not have his license (yet).His 1st run was a under 10,which meant he
1-HE was illegal,in Nhra eyes #1,SAFETY
2-Etown understands 1 time eeh ,Any more he is done until he becomes legal.
3-in the pro10.ohhh the run doesnt count in qualifying ,any rounds racing your DQ but finals.
Eddie was warned not to go below 10.0 or else
& he did not.
So in my eyes if you to run the 10.ooohhh,your car & driver should be legal for 9's(or8.50) if your running 10.00's (9.98). if you run 10.8s i wouldn't worry.
This happened to ME years back. I was DQ, so was John Carter. Its a SAFETY rule .
SAFETY FIRST GUYS CORVETTE POWER
just my 97 cents
This is what happened at the 10.oohh this weekend.My buddy Eddie drove my Vette which is legal to go 8.50,but Eddie does not have his license (yet).His 1st run was a under 10,which meant he
1-HE was illegal,in Nhra eyes #1,SAFETY
2-Etown understands 1 time eeh ,Any more he is done
until he becomes legal.3-in the pro10.ohhh the run doesnt count in qualifying ,any rounds racing your DQ but finals.
Eddie was warned not to go below 10.0 or else
& he did not.So in my eyes if you to run the 10.ooohhh,your car & driver should be legal for 9's(or8.50) if your running 10.00's (9.98). if you run 10.8s i wouldn't worry.
This happened to ME years back. I was DQ, so was John Carter. Its a SAFETY rule .
SAFETY FIRST GUYS
CORVETTE POWERjust my 97 cents
Last edited by tensecvet; Oct 24, 2007 at 02:21 PM.
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Mike you are not 100% correct....sorry.
Eddie's 9.65 in qualify did count. He was not disqualified for going under. However, his going under put him on the bottom of the ladder. Since there were 9 cars and he was last, he was not qualified after the first round of qualifying.
Eddie's 9.65 in qualify did count. He was not disqualified for going under. However, his going under put him on the bottom of the ladder. Since there were 9 cars and he was last, he was not qualified after the first round of qualifying.
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Mike you are not 100% correct....sorry.
Eddie's 9.65 in qualify did count. He was not disqualified for going under. However, his going under put him on the bottom of the ladder. Since there were 9 cars and he was last, he was not qualified after the first round of qualifying.
Eddie's 9.65 in qualify did count. He was not disqualified for going under. However, his going under put him on the bottom of the ladder. Since there were 9 cars and he was last, he was not qualified after the first round of qualifying.
Say it which way you want. DNQ or DQ after his 1st round of qualifying.
DNQ for the article Edgar
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Let me try again.
DQ = Disqualified...he was NOT disqualified.
DNQ = Did not qualify...after first qualifier he was a DNQ
if there were only 7 cars then he would have been 7th and his 9.65 would hvae got him in the field becuase he was not DQ'd he was only 7th on the ladder, (which seems to be a spot I own but that is another story)
Don't make me take out the big editors pen.
As a writer, you better be damn near 100% LOL
DQ = Disqualified...he was NOT disqualified.
DNQ = Did not qualify...after first qualifier he was a DNQ
if there were only 7 cars then he would have been 7th and his 9.65 would hvae got him in the field becuase he was not DQ'd he was only 7th on the ladder, (which seems to be a spot I own but that is another story)
Don't make me take out the big editors pen.
As a writer, you better be damn near 100% LOL
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Let me try again.
DQ = Disqualified...he was NOT disqualified.
DNQ = Did not qualify...after first qualifier he was a DNQ
if there were only 7 cars then he would have been 7th and his 9.65 would hvae got him in the field because he was not DQ'd he was only 7th on the ladder, (which seems to be a spot I own but that is another story)
Don't make me take out the big editors pen.
As a writer, you better be damn near 100% LOL
DQ = Disqualified...he was NOT disqualified.
DNQ = Did not qualify...after first qualifier he was a DNQ
if there were only 7 cars then he would have been 7th and his 9.65 would hvae got him in the field because he was not DQ'd he was only 7th on the ladder, (which seems to be a spot I own but that is another story)
Don't make me take out the big editors pen.
As a writer, you better be damn near 100% LOL
Last edited by tensecvet; Oct 25, 2007 at 06:57 PM. Reason: mellow