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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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Does anyone know how to relate 60' time to MPH at the 60' mark. I want to determine my speed when I cross the 60' light. For example I run 1.6 60's. What speed am I running? I am wondering how soon thereafter I am shifting, because I know that with my gearing I shift from first to second at 44 mph(6600 RPMs). I thought I might be as simple as taking the distance over time in this case 60' / 1.6 seconds and converting the units but that works out to 26 mph and that seems low. There has to be some way to do this, I want to figure out where my shift points are occurring.
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Does anyone know how to relate 60' time to MPH at the 60' mark. I want to determine my speed when I cross the 60' light. For example I run 1.6 60's. What speed am I running? I am wondering how soon thereafter I am shifting, because I know that with my gearing I shift from first to second at 44 mph(6600 RPMs). I thought I might be as simple as taking the distance over time in this case 60' / 1.6 seconds and converting the units but that works out to 26 mph and that seems low. There has to be some way to do this, I want to figure out where my shift points are occurring.
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There is a formula, it's a bit crude. Someone will chime in with it.
A 1.47 equated to around 2seconds on a logged run.
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Do a search on the web for racecar or drag math, on one of the sites theres a 60' time to speed conversion.

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Do a search on the web for racecar or drag math, on one of the sites theres a 60' time to speed conversion.

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Do you have a link? I tried a search and could not find such a calculator. Thanks
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Found it.

http://www.golenengineservice.com/html/calculators.html

If this is correct for a 1.64 60' the equivalent MPH is 49.8. Which means I am shifting into second before the 60' mark. Can this be correct? If so that explains why I am not 60'ing better.
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If this is correct for a 1.64 60' the equivalent MPH is 49.8. Which means I am shifting into second before the 60' mark. Can this be correct? If so that explains why I am not 60'ing better.
I've had a 1.48 short time which calculates to 55 mph on that calculator, that's wrong.

I monitor my runs on EFIlive and it computes I attain 60 mph around 2.9 seconds on a good (1.50) 60'.

That means it would take me another 1.5 seconds for 5 more mph.
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Originally Posted by HP_Addict
Guys,
Does anyone know how to relate 60' time to MPH at the 60' mark. I want to determine my speed when I cross the 60' light. For example I run 1.6 60's. What speed am I running? I am wondering how soon thereafter I am shifting, because I know that with my gearing I shift from first to second at 44 mph(6600 RPMs). I thought I might be as simple as taking the distance over time in this case 60' / 1.6 seconds and converting the units but that works out to 26 mph and that seems low. There has to be some way to do this, I want to figure out where my shift points are occurring.
Thanks
Chris

Wow I did the calculator on my 1.7 60" It says 48mph.. But the wierd part is.. I have 4.10 gears.. I run out of RPMs in 1st gear at 47mph...
6500rpm.. I usually shift a bit sooner like 6300.. That means my 60' contains a Shift...

so that means my 60' is not that accurate?
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I can't understand how 60' can relate to MPH in the 1/4 ... Take my car for example, when I had 3.73 rear, and 3500 Vigilante converter my 60' was 1.65 my 1/4 mph was around 109 mph..

Since then after the 3.73 went bad, & I got a good deal on a 3.45 I put in 3.45 and changed my converter to 2800 ... now my 60' is 1.85 but my MPH is still 108 - 109 or in VERY BAD air my mph goes down to 106..

Point being my MPH was almost the same with 60' times of 1.65 or 1.85 There were no other changes than the rear & converter..
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I dont see an increase in the 1/4 but I do in the 1/8th
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Originally Posted by jpee
I can't understand how 60' can relate to MPH in the 1/4 ...
Doesn't make much sense to me either. You can have 1000hp, but if you don't start putting it to the ground until 330', the calculation would be flawed.
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Originally Posted by billiardcue
I've had a 1.48 short time which calculates to 55 mph on that calculator, that's wrong.

I monitor my runs on EFIlive and it computes I attain 60 mph around 2.9 seconds on a good (1.50) 60'.

That means it would take me another 1.5 seconds for 5 more mph.
I think you are on to something here. And you data makes more sense. Can you check one of your EFi logs and see what your MPH is at 1.5 seconds? Even though I shift from 1-2 at 44 mph, this must be occurring after the 60' mark, because I don't see me running 1.6 60's with a shift thrown in there. I come near believing my original assumption that a 1.6 60' is equivalent to 25.5 mph.

Any other thoughts?
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You can have 1000hp, but if you don't start putting it to the ground until 330', the calculation would be flawed.
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Originally Posted by HP_Addict
Guys,
Does anyone know how to relate 60' time to MPH at the 60' mark. I want to determine my speed when I cross the 60' light. For example I run 1.6 60's. What speed am I running? I am wondering how soon thereafter I am shifting, because I know that with my gearing I shift from first to second at 44 mph(6600 RPMs). I thought I might be as simple as taking the distance over time in this case 60' / 1.6 seconds and converting the units but that works out to 26 mph and that seems low. There has to be some way to do this, I want to figure out where my shift points are occurring.
Thanks
Chris
Here is the calculator you are needing

http://www.wallaceracing.com/60-footmph.php

My V6 buick calculates to 55.45

I really like this 1/8 mile calc.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/0-60_equation.php

0-60 IN 2.78 SECONDS

Set this to your favorites



http://www.wallaceracing.com/Calculators.htm

HTH

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Originally Posted by HP_Addict
I think you are on to something here. And you data makes more sense. Can you check one of your EFi logs and see what your MPH is at 1.5 seconds? Even though I shift from 1-2 at 44 mph, this must be occurring after the 60' mark, because I don't see me running 1.6 60's with a shift thrown in there. I come near believing my original assumption that a 1.6 60' is equivalent to 25.5 mph.

Any other thoughts?
The reason you originally calculated 25.5 mph is that it is the average speed over the 60'. To average that speed , you would need almost twice that at the 60' mark. It appears that the 49 mph is correct and you do shift if your calcs for your set up is correct. (ie. tires, rpm, gear ratio) As for the data log, does that start immediately at the launch or is there a delay similar to the timing lights being tripped after roll out? (You will be moving several mph prior to tripping the last staging light.)
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I tried the Wallace calculators and still get similar results. 1.6 60' = 51 mph. Based on what you guys are saying, maybe this is accurate and I am shifting before the 60' mark. If this is true then I am launching the car for a much better 60', probably in the 1.5 or lower range. I would think that even a really quick shift would take .15 to .2 seconds. Nect season I am going to step up to either a 27" or 28" tire and stretch the gears out a little and elminate this concern.
Thanks for the help guys.
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What gears are in your car?

How far are you from clarksville?
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I am running 3.90 gears with a MN12 tranny on 26X11.50 MT ET streets.

I live in Franklin(south Nashville), we race in Bowling Green. About 1.5 hr from Clarksville.
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Originally Posted by HP_Addict
I am running 3.90 gears with a MN12 tranny on 26X11.50 MT ET streets.

I live in Franklin(south Nashville), we race in Bowling Green. About 1.5 hr from Clarksville.
Thats cool, I think your numbers are spot on. I wouldnt try and re-invent the wheel, these calculators seem to be dead on.

If you want, i have a simple HP calc that shows what the car will do if you decide to cut down on weight or add more HP. Seems to work on my 87 turbo buick just fine. PM me your email if you want it.

PS, last month i was in spring hill TN near the saturn plant. I was driving from clarksville to spring hill a few days.
I was driving a badd **** hyundai accent that did 70 up hill and could be passed at will by a fully loaded semi toward clarksville

Just thought i would BS

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Originally Posted by HP_Addict
I think you are on to something here. And your data makes more sense. Can you check one of your EFi logs and see what your MPH is at 1.5 seconds? Even though I shift from 1-2 at 44 mph, this must be occurring after the 60' mark, because I don't see me running 1.6 60's with a shift thrown in there. I come near believing my original assumption that a 1.6 60' is equivalent to 25.5 mph.

Any other thoughts?
The logging doen't give exact time calculations, I have to figure it out so everything is not 100% exact but very close.

1/8 mile run ~ 6.8 et/100 mph ~ 1.51 short time.

60' mph = 45 mph

0 to 60 mph = 2.6 seconds

1 sec = 34mph ~ 2 sec = 52mph ~ 3 sec = 65mph ~ 4 sec = 76mph ~ 5 sec = 85mph ~ 6 sec = 93mph ~ 6.8 sec = 100mph
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