The 10.8 driver used the 11.5 pass as a time trial run for the brackets. I believe it was because they cut the 2 trial runs down to 1 and he wanted the extra pass to dial his car in.

 

Cannot reveal our sources or we will get caught...LOL

It is a good topic Arch, not a problem with your posting it.

 

No, you are not alone. I agree with you what you said above completely. Ideally that is where we all want to be, running 11.50's regardless of weather conditions.

Last time out in the RP 11.00 index, first pass of the day my Mustang ran 10.59. But through tuning I whittled it down to 11.0x

 

I agree with this too. And it's something we should think about as the year progresses for next year's rules. But what I would like to see is a one tenth breakout before penalty points are applied.

For example a guy that runs an 11.499 should definitely lose the race, but the 20 point is just too severe.

 

I agree 100%. Can you imagine leading the points race and running an 11.499 and while you don't win the race, the penalty costs you the whole season. I would be pissed to say the least.

 

I also wanted to say that I think the 11.50 index class is fantastic, while I think there are some opinions being brought up, I do not want anyone to mis-interpret anything as bashing. I am only looking to grow this class and make it the best it can be.

 

No matter where you put that penalty, at 11.50 or at 11.40 or at 11.99 someone can still be penalized going under by ten thousandths of a second.

If you take away the penalty and allow racers to go under like a bracket race then it becomes more like a bracket race and we already have a bracket race class.

You all know the edge is there and what it costs if you go under it.
Not an issue if you stay above it.

 

Not a problem man. We have walked this line before with 10.0 and it is working

 

Some interesting views here.

it's funny how some categorize a sandbagger, my belief is different between brackets and indexes -

In brackets holding a tenth to me is bagging, some see it different

In the indexes a car holding a tenth is nothing, to me.

As far as the penalties, I think they have to be there - in order to be equal to the cars legal to run under the number and those not legal. Should they be this severe? dunno but the only ones that don't have to worry about it can't run the number.

look at it from this point of view, double break out - 1 car legal for the number the other not legal - but the legal car broke out worse - who should be awarded the race?

 

[QUOTE=98NYFINESTVETTE;1565683495]We had comp singles during eliminations because of some cars that broke between rounds.
The rules state if you run in bye/comp single and go under, You are DQ.
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Well if that is the rule, than you should be enforcing it. You would only need to do it once and everyone would fall in line and keep it above 11.5.

 

[QUOTE=mackeyred96;1565685983]I have and I will enforce the rules. I have sat down with some people that can run quicker then the index. They understand the rules and agree with the rules. As mentioned earlier, this is the first year for the class and we have only had one event. We have learned alot. I have eyes everywhere to know who is doing what. I also receive the print out at the end of the day to see who ran what times.

I will enforce the rules so that everyone is treated equal and there will be no favoritism. As I said in an earlier post, Many people are feeling there way around to know what they need to do.

To run 11.50 in the summer you will need a Vette that can run 11.10 or 11.20 in the cooler weather. This is the same as the other Pro Classes. As we progress we will have people step up to make there Vettes quicker and also slow them down to run the number.

To answer the question about running the car out on a bye to see what tuning if any would be needed, Do what I do and others when racing. I run it out to the 1,000 foot and apply the brakes. I do this in the brackets and in the index class. You now compare the 1,000 foot numbers with other runs to know what you would have run. If I am racing someone and I have them covered by alot, I will not lift untill I pass the 1,000 foot mark. This is not a secret and many other drivers will do this. This would be the most accurate number the you will receive on a pass.

 

You guys are funny. You think it's easy to slow a fast car down by 1 or 2 seconds? I busted my *** to tune my car from mid-8s down to 10s to run in the Pro 10.0. So, I should not have been allowed to race? That's BS. I ran WOT every pass and didn't have to lift.

Who cares what you do to run the number? It's an index race! It shouldn't matter if there's a 6 second car fendering his opponent if that's how he chooses to run. If your ride is dialed to run 11.50 and you cut a good light, why do you need to worry about the guy trying to fender you? Unless there is a specific rule about running WOT, single digit cars should be fair game.

Seriously, this is why dodge ball is no longer allowed in most schools. Instead of going on a diet, the fat kids complained that they couldn't get out of the way. Suck it up, get your ride dialed in, cut a good light and it won't matter how quick the car next to you is. I can play devil's advocate and say that 11.70 cars have no business running 11.50 index.

 

If you tuned your 8 second car down to run 10.0 whats the poblem? Don't think anybody said anything about that. You ran WOT, thats the goal.

I don't see the compariosn to dodge ball, I would think it is more like weight classes in boxing. You don't put a lightweight against a heavy weight, does'nt make for a good fight.

 

Again, this is index racing. What makes a heavy weight a heavy weight? A car that's dialed in and a driver with good reaction times. If you want to be competitive in 11.50 index racing you best bring a car that can run the number in 50 degree or 90 degree weather. That means the car HAS to be capable of running at least low 11s.

THERE'S NO CRYING IN INDEX RACING. NO CRYING.

 

Paul, by slowing your car down you did exactly what is needed for the class - you made your 8.5 car a 10.0 car, and that is exactly what I would like to see in the 11.5 class. The faster cars need to figure how to slow them down while running WOT every pass.

We don't want to see fender racing, watching two faster cars fender race is boring and then painful when they both breakout. If we are going to fender race, then hell we might as well combine all three index classes into one giant 16.0 class and then we can ALL hone our fender racing skills.

 

Maybe Rob should make a rule WOT only..
Lift & you're out..
a. Cameras to be installed in every car.
b. Foot pressure measuring sensitive pads to be installed on all accelerators.
c. Tachometers projected on the scoreboard. Go under 6200 rpms, you're out.

All makes sense...

C'mon, I agree w/ Paul..
Just run your car.
Cut a good light, run the #.
Period.
If a 10 or a 9 second part throttle car beats an 11.8 full WOT car, too bad.

The only way to see full out WOT runs is in a pure heads up race, no index.

Last summer I ran 11.3 in the 11.0 index race & got laughed at.
Literally, over the loud speaker. It was even announced I had no business being in the class running 11.3, when most of the other cars were 11.0-11.1... So, I did what it takes to run 11.0.

If people are serious about the 11.50 class, they will do what is needed to run 11.50, and NOT worry about the other cars.

I was told 6 yrs ago when I 1st started by Tony B, Mackey, & Edgar, NOT to worry about my opponent. Just run my own race.
Cut a good light & run the #.

If someone wants to be a serious index racer, they will do what is needed to run that #, not .2 or .3 over it..

Anyway, thats my thoughts...
You can all stop laughing now..

 

i agree if you run your # and pull a better light you win. if you run 11.50 its hard to run under, if you pull your light and run the number the guy who is fast enough to fender will run under or hit the brake and lose

 

The goal of the race is to get to the finish first.
Some will need to speed up and some slow down.

However, because it is impossible to have 16 cars that run 11.50 on day one, there will be 11.well over 50 cars and that is OKAY.

Okay as long as there are no 10.50 cars like mine is not catching them and fendering them to the finish. This is why I do not run in 11.50

I applaud guys like Paul who tuned is car down and Wayne Keegan who walks that 10.00 line ever time regardless of his his opponents ET capabilites

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I knew it was only a matter of time before this happened. If you are in the 11.50, run as close to an 11.50 as possible. If you cant, you probably will lose. If a 10.99 car beats you, that should give you so momentum to make you car faster, as long as your wallet will let you. This way, next time you race him, you can force him to break out and take the 20 point penalty. Just my .02 !

 

Maybe 16 car field is to many. Edgar you know how I felt when we when from the old PRO 4 to the Pro 8 and I gave into you and we have the larger field. Maybe it's time you rethink the program and go back to quality not quanity it may make for better racing.