9.50 INDEX Corvette only !! this is a "what if stage"

if these were the rules would you come and race?? some of us have been talking...now is the time SPEAK UP, WE want racers input. i mean people who really show up to race

We are trying to make a very COMPETITIVE class. Jay, Angelo,Doug ,Team Shen, Insanity ,Wayneohh ,DaveH,BillM what do you think??? Anyone else upgrading?? Anyone with a 9.99 or faster NHRA legal vette.......who races it.

Mark Shaw & myself are good with these

i copied Etowns 8.50 class rules (where some will progress), and made some changes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

There will be two qualifying sessions. Racers will be expected to be present when called to the lanes, and there will be no make up qualifiers. If you are not present during any round, the race will go on without you.

CLASS RULES…
To qualify for the 9.50 Index race, you must be 9.99 seconds or quicker. In order to expand the eliminator in the 1st round, the qualifying field must be 9.99 or quicker for all cars. Anyone that exceeds, in what is acceptable by NHRA standards, will lose
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8 or 16 car qualified race field (Race director has option to expand qualified field)
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Sportsman ladder (Race drivers who are broke must notify the tower as soon as qualifying is completed!)
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.4 Pro Tree/Heads Up/No Breakout/Quickest ET gets lane choice
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No Deep Staging
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Mufflers Required. No Bullets Allowed. 2 or 3 chambered mufflers recommended
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Auto Start set at 10 seconds for timeout, activated during Qualifying and Eliminations
BODY/INTERIOR
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Full-bodied factory rear wheel drive street type cars
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A ribbon-type window net SFI Spec 27.1 is mandatory on full bodied cars that are required to have a roll cage
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No car will be permitted to go faster than the Chassis is certified for by the NHRA
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Must have door panels
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Racecar lettering on windows only (Sponsor Logos permitted)
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Height on hood scoop to be a maximum 9 inches
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No one-piece fiberglass front ends
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Back half or stock suspension permitted
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Windows, Lexan permitted (Roll down windows optional)
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Must have stock style front suspension
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No full round or square tube chassis cars
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On board fire extinguisher is permitted and recommended
ELECTRONICS
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Bracket Racing Aids: No Electric throttle stops, No Electric shifters or Optical sensors. No delay boxes or other driver aided electronics. The application or use of any device, mechanical or electronic, that permit the driver to ascertain the position of their vehicle in relation to the starting line is prohibited.
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Progressive Nitrous controller system permitted
NHRA RULEBOOK:
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Delay boxes/Devices 8.2 under prohibited
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8.7 switches
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9.1 computer
ENGINE/TRANSMISSION
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Trans Shield meeting SFI Spec. 4.1 mandatory in all cars running quicker than 10.99 or 135 mph
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Oil retention device (Diaper) recommended for all cars running 9.99 & quicker
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OEM or aftermarket transmissions with a maximum of 5 forward speeds permitted, including “clutchless” models. Any gear change must occur from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, Electric, Hydraulic shifters prohibited. Clutch release devices prohibited. Trans brakes and 2-steps allowed.
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Jacket/Pants/Gloves/Neck Collar mandatory in all cars running 9.99 and quicker or 135 mph and quicker
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all power adders ok
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Corvettes only
YOU MUST MEET ALL NHRA AND NJ STATE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS! If you are caught cheating, you will be banned and NHRA will be notified. Rules are subject to change anytime before or during event/s to keep the 9.50 Index Class competitive. Race director has all final decisions!
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this is all "what if ", 5 races.
Good or Bad speak up.........

 

I'm thinking .5 tree, but it's all good.

I also wouldn't mind if the 20 point penalty for breaking out would go away.

And it would be nice if the payout would be higher than what it costs to get there.

$300. to win - $150. runner up would be cool

That's $450. payout + trophies = $500. ? per race x 5 = $2,500. sponsorship needed???

 

Mike when you say WE do you mean you and other folks or do you mean me bob rob dennis raceway park and the corvette challenge?

 

Since we're 'what if-ing'

How about dumping the "no electric shifters" rule since late C4s and all the C5&6 automatics are electrically/computer controlled. I don't see any difference or advantage between being able to change your program vs using a different chip. Besides that it's a lot safer if we're driving with both hands on the wheel.

Just a thought,
Dave

 

I took it as Mike wants the input of WE the guys that are legal to run faster than 10.00/135

(assuming that you, Bob, Rob, Dennis & Raceway Park were interested in starting this new index)

Hence the "what if"

 

First i took it that way too Jay but i had exchanged emails with him and asked him to make his "suggestions" base on pro 8 shootout rules.

We, he and me, never discussed Friday 8.50 index, nor do I believe, we, Corvette Challenge want to start with rules that do not pertain to us, Corvette Challenge, so that when we, corvette forum members hereunto know as CF, discuss, we, CF, discuss apples to apples

 

Dave, we, Corvette Challenge, do not have an electric shifter rule.

 

Jay
last pro8 you had a .05x on a .400 pro tree. you'll be fine also.seat
time.
penalty rule GONE........
And we must crawl before we talk about payout - sponsorship needed??

 

Dayum them jailhouse lawyers anyway

 

this is how i meant it. i'm trying to keep it simple......you need racers that show up to start a new index.

 

Yeah Dave
no electric shifters reason is because you need a little spot there so there could be driver error . i use to have a electric shifter but i had to get rid of it because people wanted a human error factor. its not hard to shift on time but you could f*ck it up & lose the race..... if its factory trans its good.Simple
would you come and race ??

this is a "what if" stage

 

I remember when the Pro 8 Shootout implemented a similar minimum to qualify to race limit and I got beat down by a few but mostly one person. Remember that Mike?

 

Listen guys, before you get me all riled up again....you asked for 9.50 to replace 8.50 and I am well on my way to doing that...you don't want me to, I will stop and you all can endeavor to do what ever you want where ever you want.

We have rules for the Pro 8 Shootout and they would be the rules for the Pro Shootout with the exception of the 8.50 becoming 9.50 and likely removing the 9.99 requirement since 9.99 is no longer 1.5 second away

the penalty for going under applies to all three index classes and what is done for one is done for and yes we will discuss lifting it

Deep staging is and will continue to be allowed. A deep stager will get no more time to stage than a not deep stage except in 11.50 where often there are 2 deep stagers. If John Force can go deep, so can we.

Now, really if anyone has an issue with any Pro 8 Shootout rules (http://corvettechallenge.info/pro8.php feel free to post or email me or bob or rob or dennis

 

Sounds good to me. I would have a few suggestions and expansions around the rules. I would think a .500 pro tree would be better, but I could handle a .400 tree. I also think that no deep staging is a good idea and just like Friday night if you knock out the top bulb it is an automatic red light. But just like the pro 8 currently very few people go deep so it may not be a concern.

I also think we should eliminate the penalties for running under as I assume everyone will be going for the perfect run, and I think Edgar is in favor of dropping or reducing this as well. If there is a penalty it should only be a few points and only if it is done many times in a single race day.

 

I had not really given much thought to the tree.

really blue lighting a guy is worse than penalizing a guy for going under and I am surprised I am hearing take away one penalty but add a new one.

Not a fan.

 

Another concern is track prep. I'd pay an addtional $10 if it would ensure they spray the track for every event.

 

I'll second that!

Mike-I'd love to come and play but alot depends on schedule conflicts and which car will run the number and be legal for Etown.

Champ Dave-I agree with you on the .500 tree, deep staging but only with normal auto start timing and the run-out penalty eliminated.

Edgar-thanks for the shifter info, I must have confused it with one of the other dozen orgs I run with.

Watching it snow,
Dave

 

I have some hesitations about responding to this thread but see my name mentioned and feel compelled to write some reaction, questions, etc. As you all know, I do race and made every Pro 10 event in 2009 as well as a number of other events.

First off, I am not sure that my car will be able to run 9.50 year round. ECS had told me that it will and they’re upgrading it right now. I trust their work but will not get a taste until the spring shakeout. In the meantime I am planning to buy the necessary SFI clothing, see a doctor for an exam, prepping for the license, etc.

I do know that I can run 10.0 / 10.50, which is still an option for me and I would run another Pro 10 if that were the final direction (10.0 straight up, 10.5 straight up or 10.0/10.5 DI). For all I still need a license and roll cage / net, etc., as I tend break 135mph often (a rule I could do without).

The rules look very similar to what I’m used to, except the change from a .500 to a .400 tree. I’ve run .400 a few times but not enough to be comfortable with it. Why not run all CC Index classes the same… If others (e.g., the 11.50) are .500 then a 9.5 class should be .500 as well.

“Trans Shield meeting SFI Spec. 4.1 mandatory in all cars running quicker than 10.99 or 135 mph” -- How does this apply to a rear positioned transmission such as in a C5? I had my nads busted about this at Island and am not sure if there is such a thing for a C5 setup… Is there? Same for a torque tube not being the same as a driveshaft loop. It makes little sense to put a loop around the tube – However, I do see that ECS makes a “Torque Tube Tamer” that might qualify -

“Oil retention device (Diaper) recommended for all cars running 9.99 & quicker” – I don’t have one of these. If something is only recommended, then it is not a rule.

“Jacket/Pants/Gloves/Neck Collar mandatory in all cars running 9.99 and quicker or 135 mph and quicker” – I would like to see the exact SFI spec required for each item. Well, maybe not now that I am in the process of buying most of this stuff.

“9.1 computer” – Left empty… Is there something to be added here? My C5 uses a factory PCM and relies on PCM settings to operate, which are adjusted using EFI Live. OBD-II port data logging as well: Any issues with that? I've had a few words spoken to me about this and we all know it's an "issue" for some. But, it's how my C5 is tuned (as well as many others that run in the CC). If anyone is going to bust my ballz about PCM tuning in this class, then I’ll simply move onto another class / series as it’s what GM gave me to work with from the factory and what I intend to use.

I agree with every post that mentions the point penalty for breakout. I do not like this rule and took a few hits from it in ’09. Not because I was sandbagging (I need more seat time to play that game) but because I simply had not logged enough data to dial the car for the changing weather conditions. The -20 breakout we faced in the ’09 Pro 10 seemed excessive and I would like to see that rule re-examined / eliminated, especially on a red-light / foul. You already lost, who cares how fast you then go and, if both breakout, the least breakout wins. Besides, the “crowd” will love those who pull a “Doug” and blow through with an 8 If that penalty is to be imposed then all cars should be equipped with brake lights: If they light up, you face a penalty.

I am fine with deep or non-deep staging. But, not sure I like the idea of an automatic red-light if you accidentally go deep.

The track should always be prepped. If we need to pay an extra $10 as mentioned to assure this, throw me in that bucket too.

Any thoughts regarding courtesy staging? I don’t care either way, as long as it is made clear in the rules.

2010 will be an interesting year for me. I will be coming out with what is essentially a new build for my car. I look back at 2009 as mostly practice, working on fine tuning the car and the driver, visiting a few tracks and attempting to use all the good advice I was given to improve myself. I can use it all as we go into 2010, but will need more seat time to adjust to the new build (e.g., 4l60 to glide conversion). Switching from a Pro 10 DI (as a 10.5 entry) to a Pro 9.5 will not be trivial in my case. Therefore, I do not have a strong opinion about the 2010 classes at this point and am waiting to see what’s decided and compare it to how I feel with the new build.

Thanks,
Dave

 

You cant hit a .400 tree ..... Champ. John Force uses a .400 tree. You get a .500 tree when you play with the 10.5oh crew .
No DEEP staging is a must i would think,for autostart. Why should the DEEP stagger have the choice of taking that out of play. Or but as long as the deep stagger must go in first,and be on the car window a big "DEEP", like true sportsmen. i dont want to get hung out on the trans brake is my main concern. Some dont know what thats like........

do away with penalty is what most are thinking, saying.........

we can leave the elec-shifter if you guys need it

 

Mike, please call me because I don't think you understand deep staging.

There is a difference between staging deep and have a starter wait for you to go deep.

The only class we ask the starter to wait for a driver to go deep is the 11.50.

Pro 8 Shootout and Pro 10 DI we do not ask the starter to wait because you do not have usually have two cars deep staging.

So when you say no deep staging interpret blue light special and that my friend, has no place in the Corvette Challenge. frankly, i don't think is has a place anywhere but that's just me I guess.